Talaq, Talaq … (Misc.)
By media.desi on Aug 8, 2006 in Discussions
This is the story of Sher Mohammad and his wife Najma of Orissa. One night (July 4, 2003), Sher Mohammad was sleepy and was drunk. He accidentally uttered “Talaq” thrice. Well, he woke up early morning, realized and felt very sorry. He consulted a local Quazi who was knowledgeable and a good man. The Quazi told him that it was no big deal and allowed them to live together. Happy ending…….? No
There comes the twist, other controversial fundamental clerics, got a tip off and stepped in with a fatwa, ordering the two to live separately. They ordered Najma to marry another man, live with him some time, divorce him and then remarry her original husband Sher Mohammad.
The couple went to High court which REFUSED to take the case. They went to supreme court which gave a LOUD and CLEAR verdict by ordering police protection.
This whole process took approximately 3 years. Three whole years for a rightful reunion of a husband and wife in a democratic, free, secular country like India. So who is the culprit? Fundamental Clerics? Well they have nothing to do except put their noses everywhere… (Remember Sania Mirza’s skirt issue?) or our High Court? which refused to take the case.
We wanted to see the validity or “Talaq” dugg up some interesting facts.
- Talaq practice is banned by law in many nations, including Turkey, Tunisia, Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, Pakistan and Bangladesh
- Accidental Talaq instantly is NOT like a divorce. It should be taken as one or of three chances and husband can take a wife back Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_talaq
Update:
“Just because some story came out from some end… does not mean… that it is your responsibility to bring it in front of everyone, and that too on a website like this…”
“why dont you bring forward what the law making people are doing these days?”
“If you dont have enything else to do then dont at least do something disturbing, your site is for entertainment and just entertain.”
“why dont you bring forward what the law making people are doing these days?”
“If you dont have enything else to do then dont at least do something disturbing, your site is for entertainment and just entertain.”
This was one anonymous comment posted. As a response,
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Good one DesiVideos. At least some one is capable of writing these kinds of articles. I say that people has to be educated and must be freed from these clerics who take misinterpretations of Islam.
Amjad XXXXX | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
Yep, this must be banned.
Anonymous | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
Who r u to say wht to be banned and wht not to be banned. U can’t even comment on tht with out knowing the significance of such a thing. I do agree tht people shd move with new times but not in total disrespect of things tht have been true for ages. and my dear sathi was a muder talaq is divorce do u get the difference
Anonymous | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
Dear Anonymous @ 5:48,
Both are the same one in psychological sense and other in Physical Sense. Looks like u support the issue mentioned above.and who told u that it was true for ages… just keeping a wrong rule for centuries doesn’t make it right. Why do u think Pakistan, Bangladesh and many Islamic countries banned it? Do u think that they didn’t gave the consideration of centuries?
Prashanth | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
TALAQ must be BANNED. TALAQ must be BANNED. TALAQ must be BANNED. TALAQ must be BANNED. TALAQ must be BANNED. TALAQ must be BANNED. TALAQ must be BANNED. TALAQ must be BANNED.
Now talk to be Anonymous 5:48. I just expressed my own views.
Anonymous | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
Talaq is an Important issue in Islam and it has great significance. One has to see into the issue in depth before passing any comments straightaway.
If somebody is really intrested to know about talaq and its related facts can contact me at star_sky200000@yahoo.com
take care all of u
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Anonymous | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
Fuck Thalak and other mal practices like sathi sahagamana…..
No malpractice should exist in a democratic country like India…..
The practices ruin the society…..
Anonymous | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
sumthin that wud add up to everybody’z knowledge iz that talaq iz one halal disliked thing by ALLAH out of many other halal things. so the case that has been told iz abt sumthin which is done during sleep.once i read in a book that if sumbody gives talaq while drunk, its been done. lekin afterwards they can settle it by taking sharia infront ov em. suffereings shud go thru THE HOLLY BOOK QURAN. this is the best way out. thats wht i feel. rest talaq suhd b banned doesn mean k its banned in ISLAM. its ban in the sense that ppl shud avoid it. mostly it iz done durin anger n afterwards they feel guilty. nerves shud b in one’z conrol. rest God knows better. ( if i offened sumbody..i appoligize..tcz:))
Anonymous | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
Talak in muslims is pretty rare, when compared with other non-muslims.
Remember fatwas are issued by clerics, to inform people about what they clerics) think based on their knowledge. If anybody do not like it, it is upto them to reject or follow.
Talak is not related to non-mulsims, then why do non-muslims bother about this?
First concentrate on abolishment of DEVDAASI system. There are millions suffering due to this.
The bigger issues to resolve is age old practice of prostition, both legal and illegal.
Abolish, illicit relationships.
Anonymous | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
Devadasi system? which zamana are u in?
and If those fatwas are for information seek why did it took 3 years for the above pair to unite?
And Muslims or Non-Muslims… all are human beings… why to defend this by quoting that its none of u r business?
I think as long as it is wrong and is in India, its everyones business.
Anonymous | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
topic, which should not be given this importance….
Anonymous | Aug 7, 2006 | Reply
” Although the custom is now illegal, in Karnataka and other states where the practice still lingers on, women who are dedicated to the Goddess Yellamma when very young, are often sold into prostitution. Activists say only 15% of the total women dedicated enter prostitution but there are sizeable numbers of devadasis in the brothels in India.”
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/52a/062.html
We need to sort these kind of issues first: Prostitution, Child labor, female foetus abortion, dowry etc.
There is no second opinion about it.
But, as far as talak issue is concern, majority of educated women support, MUSLIM PERSONAL LAW.
Talak and marriage is misued by many rich hindus like, Kishore Kumar, Dharmendra etc.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
Isn’t talak literally “a divorce”?
if thats so, then it is upto the wife and husband to decide without listening to any third person. It should totally concern thier personal feelings and not somebody’s orders.Also, it sholud have a written procedure and not merely saying it.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
who ever you are
why some one is comparing devadasi system with talak.. devadasi system is illegal. banned even before we got independence.
But talak is legal and very insane. no country provides a personal law for any community in the world, But it exisits in India.. why it is entertained in India. Its not personal issue of Muslims, but every indian is concerned with it.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
Devadasi system,
prostitution etc are continuing even though they are illegal.so some changes must come within in the people and communities.No government can do anything until the change comes in the people. I think its something same with talaq change must come in the people and community.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
Friends,
Stick to the topic, and don’t divert the issue. There can not be second thought that Every wrong practice has to be abolished for ourselves to become a part of good nation, a nation which is concerned about every citizens well being irrespective of community, cast, creed and the place.
As part of this nation building process we need to address each and every issue and one by one and as early as possible…So let us take the issue of ‘Talak’ as part of the debate. And mind you all, a nation is not a place without people, as long as are people suffering from injustice, a nation, as a whole cannot flourish. So it’s everybody’s issue to stop injustice or age old irrational practices either communal or social. A rapist/murderer/cheater cannot escape saying it is none of our business. So why to leave these insane practices without addressing, since those are not affecting us, one can only say this if they are selfish and not concerned about the society.
I agree ‘Talak’ is an old age practice. But this is a practice made and practiced by male chauvinistic society and women are meted with injustice even though it is a community specific practice.
We can respect the age-old practices as long as there is no harm, but this is nothing other than rejecting the justice to women only because they are Muslims. And trying to justify this in the name of Islam, giving the out right authority to male on marriage system, just by uttering the word ‘Talak’ trice they can get away from the marriage (a legal bong/agreement between two people to live together), bears no responsibility towards the woman in bond, and can get away without any compensation for her future life. Who says this is justice and heavenly.
They (those who supports) are supporting this practice as they can also avail this cruel, inhumane authority in their hand. We have to look at this in the context of authority; no one likes to loose their authority whether it serves good/bad to others. Those in the commanding position always try to command to serve their own selfish purposes no matter whether it is in the name community, customs or heritage.
We, being the people of this nation, how can we allow others to suffer, just because the issue is not related to us, this cannot stand high on morale.
Since marriage is a bond, a legally valid bond providing mutual(man and woman) benefits to live together must also provide mutual safe guards even after coming out of the bond. In the context of this we cannot support the ‘Talak’. How many of the Muslim women have their way into Muslim personal law board which supports this ‘Talak’, how many of them have a word to say or equal opportunity to express their views, this is nothing other than seeking the opinion of the ‘kasai’ about the killing of a goat is justifiable or not, he’ll always have his take in that.
That means there is no mutual consent among the people who are the part of this Talak and half of them were never given an opportunity to express them selves, and being aware about this, and being aware about the sufferings of the people (women) thrown out of the marriage into a blind future, my heart beats for them. And therefore I (we) cannot support this age-old, insane, inhumane, injustice to continue anymore, or else our country cannot be a democratic and our society cannot be called as civilized as long as there are practices of injustice and as long as the dictatorship (in any form, in any name) continues.
Let us say good-bye to ‘Talak’ for the bright future of our ladies (Muslim) who are very part of this nation, as nation cannot be build ignoring them.
Long-live India.
Srinivas Chittimalla | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
couples never be separated just saying talaq, better fundamental clerics look after their own lives instead of separating other people and spoiling unity of india.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
well said srinivas
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
Hello Srinivas,
It is good to see you are trying to help for some cause.
But, it seems like you do not have adequate knowledge of the topic “Talak”
For your information, there is an option for women to get “talak”, yes it is called “Khula”.
All the women who, do not want to be with their husdands and want to get rid of him, they can take “Khula”. Now tell me, were you aware of this?
Also, if anybody want to follow Islam (muslims) they are abide by rules of it.
If anybody do not care “talak” rules or “marriage” rules, they are FREE to do a CIVIL MARRIAGE (but according to Islam it is not accepted). When anybody has done CIVIL MARRIAGE, they have already rejected islamic rules, so they should be bothered about, talak or why Islam is not accepting them.
Hope it is clear now!
Also, islamic rules are applied to only those who want to be like a muslim.
Syed | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
Well. forget about what you think, it does not matter at all… and it never did…
If you can bring issues related to Islam so easily… then I expect you to have some knowledge why these were placed at the first place…
Just because some story came out from some end… does not mean… that it is your responsibility to bring it in front of everyone, and that too on a website like this…
There are issues other than pointing out something in someone’s religion, why dont you bring forward what the law making people are doing these days, wine, cigarrettes… are these all justice being done to the country and how about bringing forward… pirated movies… nationality eh…
If you dont have enything else to do then dont at least do something disturbing, your site is for entertainment and just entertain.
If you have something really matters then I have some really good informational videos… to share… if you really care…
But atleast keep your hands… away from these topics… i dont think anyone is matured enough to speak about it…. just leave it.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
Why doesn`t India use a “UNIFORM CIVIL CODE” if they say they are secular and democratic…why muslims have to go to sia cleric for a judgement and hindu or christiaan to a normal court.India plays a farce..Its cheating its citizens by not giving UNIFORM CIVIL CODE.Its not democratic country when it cant apply its laws to all of its citizens equally.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
impliment UNIFORM CIVIL CODE.why are the muslims given separate rules, when india is secular,why separate courts for them.
when govt says only 1-2 kids are allowed,why dont they adopt same formula for muslims either.
ofcourse its shame to say that,our stupid politicans dont dare to impliment UNIFORM CIVIL CODE,in want of their votes.
they die for minority votes and ignore majority votes,because we,majority dont have union among ourselves.
impliment UNIFORM CIVIL CODE | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
There is no separate court for muslims.
Only laws related to family disputes are termed as “Personal Law”.
The reason to have this different laws is pretty straight forward, if laws of Uniform Civil Code is against religion, how can you be called a Muslim Hindu or Christian. Coz everybody has got their own rules of marriage.
Hindus circle around the havan, Christian goes to church and Muslims go to Qazi. So, tell me how can you satisfy all the people with a single manmade law on divine things.
Today you are saying Uniform code for marriages, tomorrow you will says, uniform code for death rituals….every body should be buried or everybody should be put in a box or everybody should be feed to vultures.
No…brother no, we have a to have a separate laws for personal things.
Also, for your infor, there is Hindu marriage ACT, Christian Marriage ACT etc…
I love my country!
Sayed
Sayed | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
every religion has its own systms and customs.we should respect them but if a person says TALAQ accidentaly that dosen’t mean that they should leave saparatly this sound foolish.people should change in such matters that may be muslims or hindus or what ever religion they are.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
Oh Shut the F up.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
Talaq is such a hateful word. The practicing muslims never even use it for fun purpose (it should not be used for fun).
Dean Jones accidentally (unintentionally) said “terrorist” to Amla, yesterday while being a commentrator, he was fired immediately and left Srilanka ASAP, even after appologizing.
So, there are things which cannot be pardoned even if you have done accidentally (because it is very difficult to define accident, and there is a chance people start using accident as sheild)
In most of media covered cases, the husband was drunkard. Obviously drinking is prohibited as well.
Remember, women is not the only who suffers with this, the man who was drinking all the night, when awake realizes what he has done. Now he cannot even touch his wife. The man is loosing his loved life partner. So, do not drink and do not play with religous rulings.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
The topic of discussion is that, talak is a thing that breaks relationship between man and women and is misued.
I would argue, that so called educated elite in the western countries where, boy and girl live together, before enventually getting married. Both are educated, both have equal rights, but still divorce (talak) is more than 50%, wow! what a huge number. It is very difficult to give a divorce in the west, since:
1) you have lived with your would be spouse for some period (as domestic partner) and thus pretty close to each other with a good understanding.
2) big hassle of dividing the property alimony etc.
3) lawyers etc…
Even though it is difficult 50% seems to too big
Here in India, I have hardly seen any divorces may be one or two) in my life so far among my friends, relatives and neighbourhood. That means, nobody is giving Talak (only a few). Then why the cry against talak.
You guys should adapt the concept of Talak.
Bottomline, more than 50% divorces in the west, around 1% talak among muslims in India.
Judge yourself, which is best!
a muslim | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
Dear DesiVedio admins.,
First i would like to appreciate your postings which are thoughful and debatable. Dont consider the views of few frustated people who can not debate for a right cause to make a right move. Well, with respect to Talaq, i still do not understand what restricts our Indian Government to implement a common law for every Indian. Why there should be different laws for different religions. Atleast in justie we can be under same umbrela and having equal rights. Start thinking in this direction, we have enough diversity but may be we can have a unified common civil law.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
exactly!!!.. talaq iz bsaically meant to control yr nerves. if a man has done dis awful deed,jus bcz he was not in senses, he also pays back as he has to accept his wife which can only come back to him after making another marriage. this iz why to let the man know ..that this thing wud happen, and it wud not only tear his partner but also his own pride as well, so, as a result he wud keep himself in control. dat is why ANGER, DRUGS, DRINKS, and other things that wud lead yu to lose yr senses r not allowed in ISlam.. coz they can only push em to an endless life which wud b suffered by both of em. if sum law has been made by ALLAh n HOly book Quran talks abt it. we cannot turn our back to it, as evey law has a meaning, every law has been told with its positive and negative aspects. Rest God knows better.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
How can marriage and divorce is a CIVIL LAW. It should be based on ones religion.
COMMON CIVIL LAW should be applied to those who get married in a Registrar’s Office.
Today’s technocrates don’t even know about dept of the religion, so it’s fashion to talk common civil code.
We (as Indians in India) want a separate laws related to religous activitie.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
talk abt marriage and talaq. if marriage iz done it iz done with firm belief that couple wud stand together no matter wht. this promise iz made in every religion… civil LAw iz totally diff from Religious LAw. this LAw iz not CIVIL. it iz RELIGIOUS. made by God, but also disliked by Him. it iz respected by MUslims.. the way Muslims do not bother abt other religions and their beliefes..other shud also not get bothered. talaq iz more likely a punishment for the man, also suffered by woman, so dat he realizes his mistake.
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
this is all real crap….
when both husband and wife agree with the terms of separation…then they can get divorce or talaq according to the civil law…
think logically…if a man says talaq talaq talaq…3 times then he can divorce his wife…even without the wife’s conset…this is reallu stupid
So where is the justice to women….
always women are never given any importance in your community..
grow up guys….all r educated…follow the laws which are logical…
Anonymous | Aug 8, 2006 | Reply
For the above person.
Women can also take divorce on her will it is called “Khula”
People who think they have more logic and education, get separated 50 times more than ordinary muslims.
Some words are very powerful.
If you talk logic there are lots of questions arise.
Why do rishis and munis say “Om Om”…. it makes sense to all hindu brothers. But it does not make sense to muslims.
Is there a logic involved here? No…it is just mentioned in religion. Is there any logic in going around 7 times? It makes sense to hindu brothers, but does not make any sense to muslim brothers.
In the same way there are things, which does not make sense to you, coz you donno the history and context.
So, please forget about common civil code… lets continue what it has been in our constitution.
Anonymous | Aug 9, 2006 | Reply
ok, I would like to put the discussion in another way..
Let us forget about different religions.
just imagine that somewones sister or other female relative has to face talak just because her husband utters some words in his DREAM.. how will be the feelings?
or someone loves his wife and the woman utters something like KHULA as told by my friend here. how will be the feelings?
and now comming with the religions.
chanting word OM and talking 7 steps in merriage brings no regrets or bad things. I might agree that I am unaware about the real meaning of those but I am SURE that they wont bring sad results which ruin someones life!!
we follow some procedures to make our lives better on Earth but not to hurt someone for our personal benefits or some small gains.
I still feel that if we can make some corrections in our way of living (Including relegion) for the betterment of human being, our future generations will be happy to accept that change.
Kedar
Anonymous | Aug 9, 2006 | Reply
Hi All….Dump all religious stuff…put them in dustbin..Stop going to mosques and stop going to temples…there was no hindu and muslim in stone age,religion meant for civiliziang not fighting…the defination of religion has changed in todays context.Its the other way round.The whole india was a Harappa civilized hindu nation till Hindukush mountain ranges in Afganishtan till the Mughal Invaders came in resulting in forced conversions and looting the local population like the one by Aurangzeb giving as a result the hugely hindu converted muslims.They adopted and practiced the religion for the fear of reprisal first and then took it for granted in their lives…So their is no point in fighting that u r muslim and I am hindu…basically we r the same people, The Harrapan and Indus Civilization people who just changed due to the local ground conditions.We r the same Indus people…The people with a custom and way of life and without the so called religion.Relgion is nothing but tells u to do and donts to make u a better person…but these values have been inside us from our civilization…so we dont need any religion to define us..The current pakistan was even wholly hindu.its just the circumstances which made them to adopt to new things in past…And the same logic applies to the hindus over there…instead of staying in poverty and forcing joblessness because of hinduism the have started to adopt islam to open the doors of jobs and other financial priorities which were closed to them once they were Hindu..So my dear Bros..this is nothing but our narrowmindedness which we r spitting on each other.So stay together and live this life with joy….we r not muslims and Hindus..We r Humans and Indians
Anonymous | Aug 9, 2006 | Reply
bravo, great dude, you put it in the exact words.
I agree with you.
We all are from India,Hindustan (Hindistan, Sindhisthan!!!) BHARAT.
We all are the same and ya just live with fun and let the other people live happily.
I feel that we are still going through the transition period and in future our land will be the most peaceful land in the world, Take my words for that!!
but such discussions are useful to make our views more clear and improve our living system.
Kedar
Anonymous | Aug 9, 2006 | Reply
Just curious, when you say forced conversions, why it was only for limited people, why forced conversion did not happen to all the people?
If rulers want they could have converted the complete India population to Muslims, then we could have called it forced.
Forced conversion never happenned.
Why Yousuf Youhanna, became Mohammed Yusuf, a forced conversion?
Why Classius Clae became Mohammed Ali, a forced conversion?
Also, the current discussion is opened for the one who believes in religion.
An Indian
Anonymous | Aug 9, 2006 | Reply
Good job DesiVideos,keep going…this is really a good thing to post these articles and make viewrs debate on this..let us atleast think of all these things atleast for sometime while seeing the articles like this….life doesnt mean only entertainment…dont care for ppl who looks only for entertainment,those r the ones who cant participate and not willing to think of the country….u keep going..all the best!!
Anonymous | Aug 9, 2006 | Reply
Somebody wrote above that, Indian Muslims are the result of forced convesrsions.
I totally disagree with that, it would take only a few years or decades to force everybody to convert to a particular religion. But Moghals ruled India for hundreds of years, then why were they not able to force all the people to follow Islam?
I have never heard or read anything regarding forced conversions.
The reality is it was due to those saints, Hazrath Moinuddin Chisti RA, Hazrath Nizamuddin RA and numerous saints of those days. There work, their life and miracles made thousands and laks come towards Islam.
Also FYI Islam is the fastest growing religioun in the world.
Anonymous | Aug 9, 2006 | Reply
change is some thing that allows a civilization to thrive. unless change is accepted, civilization is barbaric.
Anonymous | Aug 9, 2006 | Reply
Good point … till now civilizations are getting vanished and continue to get vanish….just give me an example which one thrived for ever.
So, why change when there is obvious end …so, try not changing (any islamic rules) and see, how long everything will thrive and in the life here after.
Anonymous | Aug 9, 2006 | Reply
So you say, the conversions were not forced, but conversion happened because of few saints? So you agree that people were converted.
Anonymous | Aug 9, 2006 | Reply
If just saying “Talaq” can separate wife nd husband ,then marriage has no meaning in it.I support your views.
Anonymous | Aug 10, 2006 | Reply
Talak has no meaning for you, but it has meaning for muslims.
It applies to people who want to follow it, if anybody do not want to follow it, it is upto them.
Unintended “talak” or accidental uttering of “talak” is so rare that, I have never heard of anybody did that except in news papers. So, one in million could be the ratio.
So, the believers of other religions do not need to interfere in Muslim religion. Talak is neither opression not barbaric.
See, till now 200,000 people died in Iraq, thousands of Indians (both muslims and hindus) died in Kashmir, thousands are people are dieing of hunder due to famine in Africa.
Wake up and be realistic and utilize your time and money in a good cause.
No reply from me on this topic again!
Anonymous | Aug 10, 2006 | Reply
Religion Religion Religion .. Dont we have any other thing to relate to? Why are we so obsessed with these fuckin religions? Remember we are all HUMANS before we are a hindu muslim and christian ..
nishant | Aug 10, 2006 | Reply
To Dear Nishant,
This topic is related to religion, which is related to humans and it’s creator.
When you can use such words for religions you should not spend even a second on these topics.
Human (aadmi) ko Insan (Civilized) hone ke liye, religion ki zaroorat hai.
Anonymous | Aug 10, 2006 | Reply
Human (aadmi) ko Insan (Civilized) hone ke liye, “Kuch Akal”, “Kuch Common Sense”, ki zaroorat hai.
//no offense
Anonymous | Aug 10, 2006 | Reply
well said anonymous@9.33 PM .. to other anonymous bhai@9.15 PM .. you keep up your religion and get civilized .. if there is no humanity first of all, whts the point in having a religion .. I know this is not the direction in which the topic should go .. but as nishant said .. we became so obsessed with religion .. thats where evry problem starts ..
Anonymous | Aug 10, 2006 | Reply
Thanks Anonymous at 9.33
Yes you are absolutely right, with Kuch Akal and Kuch common sense, you can definitely become “KUCH” civilized.
Religion is the superset of humnity. Which religion, you have to decide and choose.
Please show me any civilization without any religion?
Anonymous | Aug 10, 2006 | Reply
Hello everyone, I’ve just been reading the comments posted on this site and feel strongly about what is being said.
About the issue at hand, it is typical of what happens in a closed-minded community regardless of its religious affiliation. Mr Mohammad and his wife had a problem which they successfully resolved with the informed opinion of their spiritual guide. That should have been the end of the matter. I do not understand why those devious clerics had to be so meddlesome. It appears that there are far too many people in India with too little to do hence, the unnecessary and often unwelcome intrusion into others’ lives.
I am glad that this story has actually brought to fore several aspects of what is wrong with our society and our policies on family matters ie religion becoming more important than humanity and the existence of several religious acts in a secular country.
One of you has gone to the extent of comparing marriages in the West with that in India and drawing the insane conclusion that Muslim marriages are more successful since talaq rates are low. My friend, a marriage is not successful just because it lasts and neither person has mentioned divorce (talaq). One could remain married to a person for decades and still be unhappy, which brings us to the question – How many of these successful marriages in India that you are talking about are happy? How many of these people are in satisfying or emotionally stable relationships? This is what defines a successful marriage.
It may be that my friend is not particularly fond of the West, but I’m sure some of you would agree with a certain practice followed in the UK. We have this concept of civil marriages which is recognized by law. For example, if I decide to get married tomorrow, I need to register my union with my partner by way of a civil marriage and then we could have another ceremony in church, a temple, mosque or other place of worship, if we so choose. In case of a divorce (God forbid), the courts will recognise my civil union and all disputes based on child custody, alimony etc follow on from there. This system, I believe, not just irons out all inequities in our judicial policy regarding marriage and divorce but is also fair on both parties (especially in the case of divorce where it deals on the facts of the case and the merits of the parties rather than gender and undue influence from misinformed clerics).
Alex Galleli | Aug 11, 2006 | Reply
Ok talaq is not sin….its absolutely your personal issue.
Why those mad clerics need to intrude into the lives of the couple. If they made a mistake let the god punish them..
why those ugly fellows need to interfere? eventually Supreme had to interfere to give security for them.
They would have ASSERTED to those clerics like..
“If god doesnt like the way I live, let him tell , NOT YOU *****rds”
What I believe is ” An organized religion is not thing but crime towards HUmanity, It plays with people’s weaknesses”
Religion is not at all required to lead civilized life.I dont believe in any religion, still I believe iam living civilized life.
If any one wants to debate it mail me on murali4321@yahoo.com
Anonymous | Aug 11, 2006 | Reply
Sorry murali, don’t you think you have upset some people by using the bad words against clerics! Are you using any civilized language against clerics? check yourself first
Clerics can give statements accroding to the religous scriptures, it is upto people to follow or reject, that’s it.
Stop, screaming at clerics, 1 billion muslims rely on religious leaders. You do not have right to scold what ever you want.
Sorry unlike other religions Islam cannot be modified:
1)Same quran, no modifications for the last 1400 years, is more than a miracle. You so called technical/law books needs, hundred’s of review, technical edits, gramatical edits etc.
2) More than billion follow the rules mentioned in Quran and Hadees(sayings of prophet)
3)Even muslims do not have right to modify or edit any of the islamic laws.
If anybody is following islamic rules let them follow.
Anonymous | Aug 11, 2006 | Reply
I realized, I apologize for the word, kindly forgive for that..
But they dont have the right to separate that couple.Dont expect others just to watch the show.
I hate any religion,
anyways for your information no religion is modified till now. bcoz people fear to modify that.
If quran is greater than science, dont use aircrafts to fly, dont use internet.. bcoz it is technology evolution.
are you insulting technology developed by human???But iam not insulting but iam just questioning.
dont use hospitals, bcoz they rely on technology. bcoz all these technologies are developed with trillions of reviews.
JUst ask god to send plane for to go usa/gulf/europe.
A question, a simple question
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It is beacause of your too much obsession towards religion..Which makes you mad.
PS: to admins, there are plenty of atrocites happening within/by the hindu community , you dont you publish them aswell. why only about muslims??? ex.Gujarat genocide
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Anonymous | Aug 11, 2006 | Reply
Hello mods/ admins
Why dont you publish some thing about scheduled cast people. who still cant share same cups and plates in hotels in some villeges. who dont have permission to enter temples. Why many oppressed low cast hindus are converted/converting as christians.
Raise voice on this also..NO friend not on conversions but on oppression.
Why cant we talk about gujarat genocide on muslims, which is shame for the nation. talking about only Talaq reminds me crocodile tears.
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Anonymous | Aug 11, 2006 | Reply
Hi Murali,
Thanks for your understanding and realizing, appriciate that!
I belive you are from India and definitely you might have some muslim friends as well, it would be better to check with them (if they have any knowledge about muslim religion).
There is a mention in our religous books, that if man needs to learn “technology” even if they have to go to “China” they should go and learn.
In those days china was suppose to have some technologies on paper/agriculture etc.
So, I believe you are not aware of details of Islamic religion. Even there was a mention of “cross pollination” of dates, which is nothing but science.
Please remove those lines (mentioning about technology vs islam).
The reason I have mentioned about the REVISON or REVIEW, is that Quran does not have any versions, like versin 1.0, version 2.0 or 3.0 etc. Technology can evolve, Oracle 1.0 to 9.0 and still going on…
Also, remember FATWAS are issued by scholars, who, based on current context give ruling, it is not absolute, it is relative.
Rules like, never eat pork, never take give/take interest, never indulge in adultry are ABSOLUTE rules, as mentioned in Quran.
I am from India, and I believe India is one of the best countries to live and die. I love India. But I hate Indian politics.
Remember technology is relative and it can never become ideal or absolute.
Regarding your question on why muslims are suffering around the globe. I can give you the answer, since you do not believe in any religion, it would be difficult for your to digest.
When ever a person goes through hardship (the current situation for muslims), it is a time for test and there is a fair chance that not everybody passes the test. Even during the prophets time, muslims did not won all the wars.
There is up and down for every civiliztion (you know how many centuries India has problems, still has problems)
–A muslim from India
muslim_from_India | Aug 11, 2006 | Reply
Hello Anonymous @ 1:57
Please understand that this post was not about Religion. This post was about other people (Clerics) interfering. We carefully differentiated good from bad (See Good wordings Quazi and fundamental Clerics).
The thing u guys have to understand is that every religion has many false interpretations. We can’t blame religion for that. But we have to find a way to remove those false interpretations.
And about u r question / request of posting other oppressions, yes we have been posting those and will be posting too in future.
//PS: Had to edit out some comments because of sensitivity of the topic.
//Anonymous, Muslim_from_India, and other people who are interested to bring topics, post, debate please email them to media.desi@gmail.com
Admin | Aug 11, 2006 | Reply
Hi every body from a Hindu,
I gone through nearly all the mails,
Nobody accepting their falts, just giving blame to another.
People have to change their thinking about religion because they all are formed before thousands of years before and we are following because they teach well but some times we have to modernise problematic rules.
I always given respect to all the religions especially for Islam also and I have good friends.
With best of my knowledge iam saying that always Muslims concentrate to protect their religion rules rather then accept and change to give better judgement to your girls.
look today all the Muslim mails saying that talaq is write , they all are thinking that all are attacking upon them and upon their religion but nobody is ready to accept that the talaq rule is wrong and even Muslim brothers also knows that.
Hear nobody apposing Islam, only saying that the TLAQ system is wrong, because of talaq lots of Muslim girls suffering .
All the Muslim mails are came from boys only because they are the rulers of Islam, why don’t we ask any Muslim girl.
Don’t send any E mail upon A girl name, tumhe Islam ki kasam.
Tell me brother please think in strait way without any religion partiality ,are you belive or not tlaq is wrong when it is miss used.tumhe Islam ki kasam such bolo.
YES, in Hindu isam lots faults are which are I accept because they are wrong and we have to currect it, like cast isam in Hindu religion actually they are prepared to give jobs but they are miss used.
Results are WESTRN COUNTRYS WANT TO MAKE ALL HINDUS TO BECOME a Christian with giving money to them to convert and THEN making Christian father etc. to convert people and it is dividing us.
More than 90%of Hindus are converting to Christian with poverty & cast isam.
Please avoid cast isam in Hindu religion. And MAKE FAIR RELIGION.
a hindu | Sep 7, 2006 | Reply
In my opinion every coin has its two side, it can give the peace and prosperity to the people if used properly otherwise we will always get these kind of issues to discuss. No doubt these Clerics people I would say them self declared guardian of the religion want to keep the people uneducated so that they can use them for their own betterment. It is shame for me and for the whole community that after more than 1500 yrs we are in such a damn situation where one can not decide his good and bad by his own. I am hearing since last 25 yrs that Islam is beautiful but which beauty we are showing by our character. Burning the US flag? Burning the embassies? Is it the only way to protest? Most of the people will not agree with me but we are totally out of track and we are only talking about Islam and not practicing it. And if we were practicing Islam then people would have not get these issues to post on Desi videos. I read in previous posting some body saying doesn’t comment if you don’t have knowledge. I am asking whose fault is this, Muslims or non-Muslims. If being a Muslim we don’t have time to read Quran and Hadith how can you expect that other will go and read. They are reacting on what they are seeing.
I never heard any body giving fatwa about dowry in Islam. Does any body get abounded from Islam because of taking dowry/ donation/ interest? Millions of people going for Hajj after taking the subsidy from government, from where this money is coming any body thought about this? Is it not haraam? Considering the fact that the money is coming from peoples in the form of taxes, can any body justify this Hujj?
As long as we are getting benefit it is ok, we can marry 4 time its legal, but when points come on smoking, drinking, wearing non-Islamic clothes, backbiting, cheating, every body says its ok common man are you stupid….lets change with time…………..why this dual character?
Showing in practice is the right way to show the beauty of our religion. How can you expect respect from others if you don’t know how to respect?
Anonymous | Nov 29, 2006 | Reply
I would like to tell you guys lets be matured donot get into conflict areas ..world is moving ahead. When ever we had conflicts in the past we realised one thing Humanity comes first. Be heartful why do you want to stick to a religion which is dividing us always.. religion is meant to show us direction towards GOD not pleasure. So live and let live my friends.
kiran | Dec 29, 2006 | Reply
Friends
Its very sad to read something on such issues by the people who really don’t know the basic reasons either what to be and how to be. People should know the basics of the issues and topics. In above topic it is penned that a good and knowledgeable Quazi rejected the deal of talaq and allowed them to live together, but I would like to ask every one (including that so called Qauzi) what about that man being drunked and done evil act.
In the above story talaq has been focussed, but not the drunkard man, I would like to ask people why they are willing to banned the talaq, but not the liqours, (the basic reason of any evil act)
Drunkards teasing and raping girls, killing inocent peoples are not excussed by any law and courts in entire world.
In our democratic country India we have a procedure for divorce through the courts, but every body aware the out comes of this procedure, both parties pulling their legs, and showing down each other. They spending years to get separated. Every where there are two aspects of anything, one is bad one is good, but it depends on us how we are utilising it. If we are thinking that a women panalised being get married and making relationship with other man, (during Halalah) to get back her husband again in her life instead of her husband, why so? its really a tuff thinking to us, but same kind thinking if a husband keep in his mind then he must be more carefull to utter talaq even in his imagination.
Sayeed | Jan 24, 2007 | Reply
non muslims dont have any knowledge about what is islam,what is god all that ,but when it comes to issues they think they are masters what they predict,
i request others non muslims to first believe what it has been taught to them,and after that gain knowledge in other religion and fight.
Md.Afzal Hussain | Mar 18, 2007 | Reply
tired already of all the comments..it jus goes on and on..no stopping! dint know religion is so much of concern to everyone..srinivas comment was the best i should say.. Sayed was cool too, we all are changing with the time, No religion is GOD MADE. No rules are GOD MADE. if you say islam is! then u know nothing. You are jus brain washed. Belive in Good and Bad. Do not follow blindly, respect the mankind(women or men) break the shell and see the world with ur eyes, live happily and let others live. Give me no religion bull shit!!
need some information..
can anyone tell me the story of mohmmad., the real one if you know..not the glorifying side of the story..remember i already know a little so dont bull shit.
a women | May 24, 2007 | Reply
Why so much drama created on silly a Dream.
All humans will do some or other mischeif in dreams,Imagine what happens If we debate on the dreams of each person everyday.
Jahangir | Jul 1, 2007 | Reply
The comments posted are very interesting.Though i am a HINDU(NON MUSLIM to my muslim friends) trust me not big on religion.It is damn funny how couple of folks defending the above acts of the clergs(are whoever) and pushing the blame on liquor. And somebody wrote the history of THALAK (control of senses and everything) the reason sounds damn valid and good.
The question i want to ask is simple.
Did the clergys did the right thing by separating the couple for three years?If YES than there is no point in discussing this issue with you.The point of this article is not to say ISLAM is bad.I guess we just want to see atleast a one GUY(MUSLIM preferbaly) Stand up and say yeah this is a wrong doing and the clergs did wrong in this case.
I believe No hindu(Human) will defend SATI,DEVADASI and untouchabilty and say that is our religion and we will follow it.
Orelse ADMIN can put a POLL kind of a thing says the above case(Not thalak) is right or wrong and want to see the poll results just curious.
As we INDIANs are used to do nothing aganist any wrong doing but just caught up in th emoment i have posted this comment.
Take it easy guys NOBODY is gonna chnage for GOOD or BAD.
Vijay | Aug 20, 2007 | Reply
Dears…Now Bear …This Truth..Some says Talak in Islam is Wrong,Some says government should ban it,and some of you foolish says it is injustice with WEMAN. India is our country, there is one government too,there are some rules made by our government and which is obligatory to follow by every citizen. But tell me if i will not follow it,What others will say (DESHDAROYI). In the same ways, FOLLOWING THE ISLAMIC LAWS IS OBLIGATORY FOR CALLING YOURSELF AS A MUSLIM.
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