Watch the Video - History of Ayodhya.
The presenter in the video will try to explain the history of Ayodhya starting from thousands of years ago. It is interesting to know the history of a very important debate which has been haunting us for the past 500 years.
Relevant Information:
“Ayodhya is the center of the Ayodhya Debate concerning the Ram Janmabhoomi temple and the Babri Mosque. The mosque was destroyed in 1992 by Kar Sevaks and rioters to the belief that the Ram Janmabhoomi existed prior to the mosque’s construction and that the temple was the birthplace of Rama.” –WikiPedia
Presenters Claims:
“This is an attempt to present the information before you in order to help you to form your own opinion. The evidence on record clearly indicates that there was a temple on the very site where the Mosque stands. Ofcourse there is no evidence to show that Ram was actually born at the site” –Video Presenter
* There is no way we can verify the claims as accurate made here in the video.
Thank you so much for your efforts to present a powerful evidences. Hats off to you sir.
Wish People can understand the same.
Babar attacked india in 16th century and destroyed Ram Temple at Ram janam bhoomi. he constructed a mosque Known as Babri Masjid. But this Masjid has never used for Namaz offerings or any muslim rituals, and Babar himself explained in his Biography the problems faced during contructing the mosque. It clearly explains that its a place of Ram Janam Bhoomi and there is no evidence required to prove this.
This is extro-ordinaty effort. Babar only created the babri masjid to put down hindus and show his emporereness. There is a Ram temple thats truth. But people dont understand that.
Is ever gonna end this Hindu-Muslim problems? This complicates each and every aspects of Hindustan developement.
good god at last we came to know the truth , start the build mandir now , we hindues have enough paitence and tolerence , enough now start the mandir , thankyou sir for you efforts as we all know truth cant be hidden too long .
its truly a great compilaion and presentation. hats off to you sir for bringging all the evidences and proofs. Are these not sufficient for the blind govt to construct a Ram teple there. the muslim kings have destructed thounds of people like these in India and erected their mosques. no one can do this massacre except them. We are all eager to see the Ram temple constructed again demolishing the evil erected by the muslims in Ayodhya.
Jai Sri Ram….
The presenter has very strong and logical arguments to prove that Rama Janmabhumi is a very sacred place built by Hindu’s to worship birth place of Rama.
This however, does not mean one should create blood shed out of to snatch the place or anything of such matter. One can peacefully worship lord Rama in the nearby place where a small temple is constructed. Presence of masjid does not make it un-holly place. Sure enough it was snatched from Hindus by the then bloody rulers who wanted to humiliate Hindus by showing their power in this manner. So a logical thinking is, now that we are on our own, we can destroy that structure for sure…yes we can but now its more than 300 years and there is no point in making another communal riot in the name of lord.
Is it worth a riot? you tell me.
Thanks
Manoj
dear sir,
can we get a downloadable copy of the video ?
i can make copies and send to friends & relatives..?
thanks,
excellent work….
Ok,
Now that Mr. Whoever he is proved that there was actually a mandir below the Masjid , Could you please prove that bodhigaya temple was never destroyed by Hindus and even now they are not occupying it.
Why have this double standards? The buddhist monks have been fighting for it since years? Sicne they were never violent this issue never got hyped.
But if you think Ram Mandir should be built at the site of mosk in ayodhya then Bodhi Gaya Should also be liberated from Hindus as that is a most sacred place for all the Buddhist.
Dhanyawad and keep continuing you hypocracy.
hi everone who wached this clipping
its a known evidence that mosque was bulit on existing temple as a matter of fact u can also see this same phenomenon in AHEMADABAD fort where a simple dome was constructed on mandir during gazinis period and now its renamed to BHARAT MATA MANDIR so it now on muslims to give respect to others caste and allow to build temple on mosque which has no daily prayers or useage
TO MODERATOR if can allow to make copies of evidence it worth or else again this video will become another faded history
dear Sir,
gr8 work….thanks for bringing the truth to limelight with evidences that supports it.
We really apprecaite the fact that you had taken all the time to compile and present this to us which most of us and have never even thought of…
thanx
Everyone knows Ramayan… but what happened after that!!!… Thanks to the efforts made to get the truth to us. Amazing patience of hindus and hats off to govt negligence. More then half of Kashmir is gone and yet govt waits. Our own free land and yet can’t build a temple on the most sacred place for Hindus. In this Kalyug even God seems to be quiet.
Its not a question of Hindus, Muslims or Buddists. I think its a question of respect for the religion each one of us believe in. And to understand the importance of a sacred place like AYODHYA…
Thank you very much for bringing this video to everyone of us. Hope one day we temple would be built at the site.
Guys,
We cannot reverse the history. Just demanding to build mandhir will not lead us any where. There are hundreds of Mosques which were built after temples were demolished and it happened some 500 years ago. We cannot go ahead and rebuilt all.
Now this issue concerns a Billion population. And its about 1/5 of world population. We cannot solve this problem by not hurting either one of the communnity. If one wins others lose…I think no judge can give a verdict. (You can see why it is in civil court for the last 200 years)
I think Lord / God is everywhere and its all about your inner self than historical proof of birth. I cannot comment on whether to build or not but all I can say is we cannot punish the present muslim population by the deeds done by some rules from hundreds of years ago.
A comment on this same site on reservation isssue by a person who is a lower caste (Sorry but he claims so) says that they need reservations and they need the power and country belongs to them and we the current upper caste generation (Sorry agin to use this) has to suffer the consequences of the deeds by our forefathers….
This is ridiculous… forget past and pave a way for better future.. Before demanding that temple has to be built/ not built think the futue consequences.
hi sir,
i appreciate ur effort to bring about the evidence,but its no evidence,its farce anf false.it doesn’t clearly show did temple exist there.people shud be responsible enough while writing comments.it means an era of bloodshed agai,and this has been a standing point of indian history,minorities being killed everywhere and everytime.hindutva does’t stand for voilence but hindus are diviating from hindutva under some tyrany leaders and creating volitile environment,plz dont pos such links for god sake,this will do nothing but worsen the problem
This is ridiculous. i don’t know what desivideos.net is trying to create, probably hate between two communities.
A lot of the people in india, Muslims and Hindus are just ignorant people. I can guaranty that most of people who are fighting for this stupid cause, have even read Ramayan, or even been to that mosque.
The hate spreads and while some people are fighting in ayodhya, other people in different cities and states are fighting with one another. I have no idea for what reason. i believe that most of them fall in to the wrong leaders(who do it for their own benefits).
i honestly believe that not even one life of a human is worth in building a mandir or a masjid. i think this is what your gods would want too. However if you think that your god wants a mandir or masjid, by causing a death of even one human, then i think you are preaching a wrong god.
//This is ridiculous. i don’t know what desivideos.net is trying to create, probably hate between two communities.
@Ask Yourself
Before publishing, we expected backlash. This video went through 4 different members (all communities including Islam). We published after careful review of the video and after all the members gave a approval to publish.
We presented facts from well know accepted websites. I as a member of admin team personally does not have any comment on whether to build a temple or not. (I will be hammered what ever I say here)
But we cannot ignore this issue as BJP is trying again to create another Ayodhya in Chikamagalur (Karnataka) which is unacceptable in my opinion.
Finally we take utmost care in reviewing what we publish. We are sure we will anger one or the other (It’s democracy everyone can have their own opinion) because the subject is controversial. We agree with your words that its the religious leaders who are creating this issue. Thank You for commenting.
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Dear Admin Team,
Excellent Job.
Excellent video that I have been looking for years.
Thank you for posting such a nice and informative video.
Where is the voulume 2 of this video?
I am not sure what the politicians are upto but I strongly believe the juctice should be done to anyone whether it is an individual or a community.
It is unfortunate that majority people of a country have to prove that something belongs to them in their own country.
Truth should not be hidden or buried.
Let the world know how the people in India were mercilessly persecuted and their property destroyed.
Please post more of such videos.
Thank you,
Srini
It’s a very biased documentary but hey, we live in a democratic country.
You start with a statement for people to make their own judgment or form their own opinion but you have passed the verdict that the mandir should be replaced by the masjid. I think it would have been best that you made your intentions clear rather than trying to beat round the bush.
Evidences have been shown that shri ram temple was existing there,and there were many efforts made by rambhakts to retain the place from 16th century,
So,for the sake of devotees the government should allow to construct shri ram temple at the same site.
HUH its SAD that HINDUTVA is MISS INTERPRETED BY WRONGLY…..WE ARE NOT FOR VIOLENCE PALS WHO EVER IT IS…..ITS A RIGHT FOR EVERYONE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS…..U KNOW WHEN I WAS IN NORWAY FEW WEEKS BAK THEY ASKED RU A MUSLIM OR CHRISTIAN I SAID I AM HINDU THEY ASKED WATS THAT BEING ONE OF THE OLDEST RELIGION AND ETHNIC AND HAS HISTORY SAYS WHERE ALL RELIGIONS TOOK BIRTH FROM HINDU PPL HAVE STARTED TO FORGET HINDUISM AND HINDUISM ONE DAY WILL BE EXTINCT LIKE DINOSAURS ….. i ask whoever it is ppl shud understand in giving the belongings to who ever it is belonged and its not only that if one wants to review how bad HINDUISM HAS BEEN AFFECTED JUST CHEK THE LINK below
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm
CHEK THE ABOVE LINK HOW A FOREIGNER PRAISES INDIA HINDUISM WAT HE KNOWS IN REALITY MANY HINDUS DONT KNOW SO I SAY SPREAD THE MESSAGE BEFORE ITS TOO LATE AND PPL SAY YEAH THERE USED BE SOME YEARS AGO SO CALLED HINDUS….
I SOMETIMES REALLY FEEL BAD WHEN A CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE A MUSLIM ASKED WHY U PPL DONT DO ANYTHING TO SPREAD UR RELIGION I SAID ONE WHO KNOWS THE ESSENCE OF HINDUISM THEY THEMSELVES WILL EMBRACE IT….
To Mr. Prashant Wat is BUDDHISM IS A SEPARATE SECT ITS ALSO HINDUISM…..IF HINDUISM IS OF MINORITY STATUS IS BCOS OF THIS DIFFERENTIATION WAT EVER UR FIRST UR HINDU AND THEN THE SUB SECTS COME SO DONT WORRY ABT THAT WAT DO U THINK SIDDHARTH(BUDDHA) WAS BEFORE HE STARTED BUDDHISM
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ALL IDIOTS HAVE STARTED TO TALK ABT HISTORY AND HINDUISMS. BEFORE TALKING FIRST TRY TO KNOW ABT THE SUBJECT, U TOLD ABT MANUSMRITI RIGHT U KNOW THE MEANING OF IT SEE HERE GOES THE EXPLANATION †The Manusmriti (Sanskrit मनà¥à¤¸à¥à¤®à¥ƒà¤¤à¤¿), translated Laws of Manu is regarded as an important work of Hindu law and ancient Indian society. It is one of the eighteen Smritis of the Dharmasastra; and is a part of the Shruti literature. It contains laws, rules and codes of conduct to be applied by individuals, communities and nations. Some of these laws codify the Hindu caste system and discuss the “stages of life for a twice-born manâ€. It explains itself as a discourse given by Sage Manu to rishis having begged him to enlighten them on the topic.
The Manusmriti is questionable especially in that it is not a work that has ever been accepted by traditional orthodox Brahmanism. The very existance of this smriti did not even come into the awareness of traditional Brahman communities in India until it was somehow discovered by the British in the 19th century. At first glance, it appears to be a cut and paste of various Dharma Shastra verses. Yet there is much new and original material not found in any other sanskrit text that gives it a place of importance.
The book is ascribed to Manu, according to the Hindu mythology, the forefather of all humans. Certain historians believe it to have been written down around 200 B.C.E. under the reign of Pusyamitra Sunga of Sangha clan, who is alleged to have persecuted many Buddhists, to regulate a code of conduct consolidating Hinduism. Along time, many changes have been made/added to this scripture by corrupted Bhramins (brahmin)and religious leaders. According to Concise Britannica, Manu Smriti’s present form is dated to the 1st Century A.D.[1]
It is one of the most controversial works of Hindu literature owing to its alleged discrimination of women and shudras (based upon western translations). Hindu scholars have however argued that the revelance or awareness of the scripture was not considerable until the British brought it into the limelight as an important Hindu scripture. It is however agreed upon that the scripture doesn’t sanction support for outcastes such as Dalits or Chandaals, but bears caste discrimination of Shudras.
There are 2,031 verses (laws) of Manusmrti.â€
READ THIS SMALL BOY AND THEN TALK ABOUT IT 200 BC u know CHRIST WAS NOT EVEN BORN OR NOT EVEN PPL HAD THOUGHT HE WUD TAKE BIRTH SOMEWHERE AND MUSLIMS WERE THOUGH STILL NOT EVEN PEBBLES…I AM NOT HURTING ANYONE’S FEELINGS JUST SPEAKING THE FACT…THAT EVERYONE’S TODAY IF UR A SIKH BUDDHIST CHRIST MUSLIM OR WAT EVER U WERE OR UR ANCESTORS WERE HINDUS ONE FINE DAY AND TRACE THE HISTORY U WILL FIND IT OUT hahahhaha SMALL KIDS ALL SPEAKING ABT HINDUS
I congratulate the producers on presenting truth. I dont think I have ever watched a Indian film that was so original, rational and not bounded by popular belief system.
Its good to face issue as it is on its face and by rationality and practicality rather. I think the solution lies with the judicial hands only if it can act timely. If there is a Babar, there is a Akbar too and issue can be explained through believable and right information.
Frankly, I am not much concerned about Ayodhya as much as freedom of expression and creativeness. Apologise for taking discussion somewhere else, but you cant stop my passion.:D
In reaction to some of the comments who are scared to raise the issue by itself, its unfortunate that somehow as a country we are failing to have an open and serious discussion on several major issues and instead aligning to what is compramisable and irresolvable state. Most people who do not want to resolve are also one satisfied souls in the state of intertia to think events like Ayodhya may not reoccur.
Why do governments have to restrict creativeness of people. THe biggest failure of our independence is its ability to contain creativeness, Everything has to be sensored. Why should radio be restricted, why should papers be not published, why are technologies like VOIP not adapted. Somehow we think by protecting a groups interests(it could be BSNL, minoroties, majority etc) we are protecting our country. Unfortunately thats our biggest weakness where we have to import everything, we need to buy books from foreign authors, we need a Suzuki, Honda to partner, a billion dollar wipro, tcs and infosys (Infosys says there is no market in India? worst of all Naryan Murthy says us to learn English and probably his company can later on offer services - isnt tht innovation, most products for Indians are free movie websites)cannot make a product for its people. We do not even have sufficient spritual leaders. For one billion population what we have are copy cats, fake baba’s and whole bunch of followers. I think country has to invest on R&D in redefining religion and language (unicef predicts extinction unless taken care of) and computing.
Hindutwa prevails one way or the other. The truth cannot be hidden. Hinduism is in every piece of India……The renunciation, the freedom of life, the forgiveness are some of the building blocks of our Hinduism.
Even though Hindustan was conquered horrendously by the mughals, the english, they were unable to wipe out our roots as a religion. Hinduism still prevails and we believe what it is…..Even though Hinduism tells to achieve things done in a peaceful way…this corrupted,infiltrated world is not letting that happen.
Every Hindu should fight for our religion and do something for it to prevail. The temple should be built as a symbol of re-integrating ancient Hindu history as a belief…as a religion.
Thanks to the admin team for publishing the video.
– The Hindu……
Well its nice presentation. Thanq for publishing and let others to know the Truth.
For those who wanna download the video here it goes. Use VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/)player to watch the video.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O5F1BOM0
Hello folks,
Hats off to a great presentation…
In 1947 British India was partioned into 2 nations - India and Pakistan based on religion. If it had not been for some of our shortsighted politicians, hindus would have had been 95% of total population. Flashback to 2006, hindus still constitute 80% of the population, now is that not more than absolute majority.
My point is Lord Ram is the most revered GOD of Hindus, and if there was a mosque build forcibly. Dont we have right to reclaim the site once we got freedom from oppressors and build a magnificient Hindu temple. I have a honest question to my muslim/christian brothern, what you would have done if temple was build forcibly in Mecca/Jerusalem? Would you allow it there once you had full control over the site? I dont think so, Isreal and Palestine conflict is a classic example. Arabs hate Jews though they were victims of holacaust and they just want a small peice of land( that land is useless without any resources) to live. I dont not see any resolution coming in near future there. Why???
India is a secular nation, but aspirations of over 800 million people cannot be ignored. Since 1528 when the temple was demolished, Hindus have lived in slavery of first the mughals, then the British and then the pseudo-secularists. They could never reclaim the site of worship and hence the mosque existed so long. Is there anything wrong in reclaiming the site back?
I came to know Babri masjid only after it was demolished. I looked for more information but never got it as our govt has never dared to print the truth in history books. In this aspect the India and China have equally bad record in right to correct information to its citizens.
Finally I would say British left the country only to make us enslaved in hands of pseudo-secularists who play vote bank politics to divide and rule the country. The revolution that started in 1992, alas met only half the objectives. I hope this video will awaken the people to start a new revolution to reclaim the lost pride and emerge a new superpower!!!
Hats off Desividios for presenting this vedio. I appeciate the presentors knowledge in the history and research he made.
Now, its the time for constructing the Ram Temple.
My dear Muslim brothers! Please go through this vedio as an Indian. try to understand what Hindus lost through several centuries. After all this we made india a Secular country after independence. Please understand Hindus patience and sentiments. Please help us in building the Temple.
This is very shamful to Hindus to leave this matter like this. We need to cordinate with Muslim heads and publish this vedio accross India and world thrugh several channels.
Ramajanmabumi-Ayohya is like Mecca to Muslims.
I should say that any Hindu who ignored Ayodya is an Atheist. does not have values to the religion and culture.
Sometime bloodshed is necessary to make culture intact.
If Pakistan attacks India we wont keep quit saying War is Bloodshed) same as building Temple at Ramajanmabumi
I would like to see the other (Indian muslims) view point too, how important is it for them to have Babri masjid and its history.
Finally Judgement should still come from courts, if we love our country all of us should agree to do things within limits of legal setup. It doesnt mean that courts should take ever waiting for riot to happen. Courts do consider various dimesions from history, science, rights, situation, need, beliefs etc.
SKM, best comment dude… freedom of exression should be there. And we need some inputs from other communities too.
And for all the people who comment “We are 85% we are majority and we are not able to solve this problem”,
Being majority doesnot give the right to create / destroy. We call it secular in the sense that all religions 85% or .85% must not be forced into acceptance by means of domination.
Imagine Indians in America are forced to accept Christinaity becuase we are a minority.
Ultimately it has to come down to discussions rather than force.
No Community should lose face. No community should be humiliated. No blood shed. No force. No religious political leaders must be allowed to hijack the sessions.
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helo this is good video live like hindhu that is good for all indians
Prasanth, I want to clarify few points here. (Not sure if you are a pseudo secularist or using a fake name)
As clear from the documentary the temple of huge significance to hindus was destroyed by invaders to build a mosque. Now only oppurtunity hindus got to reclaim the site was after India became independent. Almost 2 lakh people have died trying to reclaim the site so far(Hindus are normally passive people and human loss of this amount does prove beyond doubt that this is the very significant site of most revered GOD of hindus). This clearly suggest the site is like tirupathi for hindus. In retrospect South India was spared of all barbarian invaders of the north.
Now secularism suggests peaceful coexistence. By reclaiming the site, no muslim is being hurt physically and nobody is being converted. If I were a muslim I would have happily given the hindu brotheren the site back based on historical evidence. I hope the court will give a unbiased verdict based on historical eveidence.
The monument in itself was sign of slavery for the nation. Though India became free in 1947 but it really overcame slavery of last 600 years in 1992. Babur was a invader and never was a ruler like his grandson Akbar. He can be compared by Ghazni and Ghouri before him, who plundered Somnath temple. Do we really need a monument to remember such savage and barbarian invaders. There is not a single monument left intact commerating Saddam Hussein in Iraq after US freed the country.
I have lived in America, calling it more secular would be incorrect. The conflicts do not appear in open as 98% are christians and there are friendly and weak neighbouring countries unlike India. Now about treatment to muslims in US - Just try to find the TASER video what happened to an Iranian student in UCLA few weeks back.
Finally I wish some wisdom dawns upon you.
If you are a pseudo secularist, I hope you will consider sacrifices of hindu people and join the movement to rebuild ram temple at the site. Just think one significant thing you have done for your religion?
or
If you are using a fake identity, Islam or any religion does not teach you to destroy other’s places of worship. The masjid was forcibly build over a temple and if hindus are trying reclaim it. Is there anything wrong? Do you want a monument of barbarian intact reminding the country of atrocities.
P.S. I tried to find article for Bodh Gaya dispute. There is no mention anywhere in internet. Not sure if this non existent dispute was meant to create distraction.
@ A patriot
Clarification: I am not “Prashant”. I commented by name “Prashanth”. I am sure you got confused by that part from that. Let me answer your qestions.
1. I am a hindu
2. I am secular
3. I live in US
I acknowledge the fact that thousands dies for RAM temple. I do believe that courts have to decide based on evidence.
But this issue has turned into Hindu / Muslim agenda over the course of this century. Yes, Islam came into India by invading but now it is absorbed into Indian Culture. We diversified our culture with Hinduism / Islam / Christianity / Budhism/ Sikkhism etc. Yes many mosques were built on hindu temples at that time (hundreds of years ago). May be in hundreds… So now should we go ahead and demolish all those mosques & build temples? There is a issue that Shiv temple was there below Taj Mahal so do we need to demolish that and bild Shiv temple again?
I am talking whats best for the country than whats best for the Hindu Religion. I don’t want to see one community lose face. If a Temple has to be there… then its has to be done with discussions.. I know its hard … but imagine building temple and 10 Crore people opposing it…. its just 10% - 14% but u are alienating huge population here.
Finally, I would love to have a temple but only with the acknowledgment by Other Communities. Bottom line, I don’t want any blood shed anymore than what we have.
Unfortunately No Indian Muslim is Willing to Comment on this. This shows only we Hindus fight each other for Temple(This is want happened cenuries back, We lack unity). When you are not a Hindu you cannot be a Secular.
I wish our Muslim Brother should bravely come forward to coment on this video. By calling Muslims “a minority” they are enjoying more freedom than hindus in India.
They shd comment on this vedio waching it properly and understanding it.
Thanks,
Since the video clearly shows that people highly believe that a mosque was built on RamJanma Bhoomi all the muslim leaders should understand the importance of this place for hindus and just let them construct a Temple. Yes the fact that the mosque was demolished is condemnable but we should also not forget the fact that a temple used to exist before the Mosque was built there. Its not that every hindu is trying to construct a temple by demolishing each and every Mosque but we are only asking to build one at the place which is revered as the most important for all hindus.
I agree with Prashanth in the fact that there should be no more blood shed but this whole matter should be settled in an amicable way.
I am a Muslim.
This is the only information that I had on Ayodhya Issue. Thanks for the information. A very biased documentary it almost conclude that buiding ram temple is obligatory and your post says that make your own opinion. lol… There are two king of intelligent people in this world
1. Who used their knowledge to analyse the things and make the decision.
2. Second category people are the people who use their knowledge to defend their decision (which is biased opinion).
In my opinion this video is purely made by second category people.
It hardly matters me any thing if there is a Mandir or Masque. Because for me my lord is with me, with in me, and every where else. The most surprising thing for me here is these many educated people want temple here even though they know it is not possible with out a blood shed. Pitty guys. As I am educated and I am concerned more about my country, my family, my research, my responsibilities etc… As one of the guys pointed above even one man’s life worth more than the temple or Mosque, I agree and apriciate such a view. In present situation I think it is impossible to construct the Ram temple with out blood shed. If you want to construct the Ram temple there, educate the masses in India first. Not about Babri Maszid or Ram Mandir, but rather a true education by which he can understand the life and importance of humanity and living a social life. If he is truly educated about religion also I bet it is hardly matters for him (the educated one) to worship lord in his room or temple. The highest stage of any religion is recognising that God is with in you. I follow VEDIC philosophy also. Correct me if I am worng.
Dont you people think we have more issues to discuss about to improve our country??? What do we get by rising this issue again?
And people in this community want to pass this documentary to other people in India to spread the hatred again. Dear moderator as you mentioned that you published it by careful review of the video and after all the members gave a approval to publish. Does this community take moral responsibility of inspiring people to spread hatred among people by forwarding the link?
@ Kevin
Some historical information for you..
Gautam Budha had a great soal. Every one knows he introduced concepts which is not in Hinduism before. And majority of people were started believing in Budhism and many were converting to Budhism at that time. Conversion only happens when they travel from truth to better truth. Swami viveka nanda himself acknowledged it. Because of smart move by Shankara Charya by saying Budha is another avatar of Vishnu murthy, he saved hinduism at that time. So what ever Prashant pointed is right. You cant deny the destruction of Budha’s temple. Dont you think as majority of people here are Hindus so you want everything in Hindu peoples favour. If you say yes for this there is no Difference b/w Babar/ Gajini/British and now Hindus as always from your words powerful guys should win and not the humanity.
One of you also pointed out that “hats off to govt negligence………..”. Common these are the people elected by us. From my point of view any government can not take any step towards this. Dare to say it is Incapability of the govt. I call it social responsibility. Every one knows BJP is formed entirely because of this issue, and when it came in to Power lol.. religious people turned out to secularist ( The one who came with “Hindutva Ninad”). Dont you understand the only thing that they want to be in power. If you cant understand it.. I am sorry for you guys. Modi was rejected VISA for US because he was involved in Gujarat holocaust. What do we want now….. Indian Prime minister to be restricted to visit other countries because he took such decisions???? World is moving forward friends we cant waste our time by digging past.
As I already mentioned it hardly bothers me the Ayodhya issue. If at all one man died in this riots every one of us will be responsible for that.
Last words:
Peace brother, we are living presently with pease in our minds and loving each other. We dont want any Mandir or Masque we just need a prayer hall. We need a country with out pollution, durty politics, love spread every where. This is the opinion of me and my friends (99% of them are Hindus). And we should work hand in hand to achieve this. May god guide us in this way. Ameen!
ya its nice, i dont like to comment on anything, but i am waiting to see the part 2 of this.
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pavan
thank u very much.
amazing work and excellent job…..really impressed and eagerly awaiting for the next volume
@An Indian Muslim
Why are you using the term “hatred” ?
We are talking about the justice and the proof to support the justice.
You say that video is made by second category people.
Are you not able to digest the facts (proof) shown in the video?
It is well known fact that ASI of India has done the excavation and they have found the proof of existence of the temple.
Why are you talking about the bloodshed? when hindus are seaking the justice from the court.
Many in the world know that Hindus are peace loving people. People all over the world also know who are the trouble makers.
You say you know vedic philosophy. then you might be knowing that everyone has the right to self defence and the right to uphold the justice.
How come you openly criticise SankaraCharya?
You are trying to distract from the actual topic under discussion.
You are eduacted so why dont you educate others to do the justice to Hindus instead of criticising the other educated people’s concern in this discussion?
So you have brain washed your Hindu friends with your incorrect information and intelligence. Pity your friends.
My friend learn to respect the feelings of your country men, do not try to distract people from the actual discussion.
Srinivas
@ Srinivas
I already mentioned this is the only information that I had on Ayodhya Issue. And it only talks about the injustice done to my Hindu brothers. I said it is made by second category people just because the video hardly reflects the present situation. May be what ever presented in the video is true. Once review how many innocent people died because of this. This things are not at all mentioned in the video simply because they dont seems to be important to the makers of the video.
Coming to “my friends”, I am proud to have them on my side. They are not influenced by me, infact I am the one who is influenced and read books on Vedic philosophy. Vedic philosophy says Truth stands on its own, it wont need documents to support. And the only truth which I am 100% sure about is, this issue caused many innocent peoples death. And I am afraid once again innocent people might suffer. Realize this harsh truth brothers. If Hindus or Muslims are really for peace they even dont dare to dream such a things happening again.
I used the word Hatred because it is reasonable word to use in this context. If you forward to mob who is illiterate, who dont have knowledge to think rationally. The only thing this video produce in his mind is hatred simply hatred toward Muslims. If that is the intension of this Video you people are really helping them by forwarding this to others.
I dont deny my responsiblity to educate the people, not for the reason to build a Ram temple in ayodhya.
You are asking my dareness to comment on Sankaracharya. Isn’t the fact undigestable to you now? This is the same question you asked me.
You said I am distracting the people from actual topic of discussion. What do you want to see here every body is saying the same thing that they want the Ram temple, what ever it may happens to others.
And you said Hindus or peaceful persons on the earth. I completely agree, because all examples I had are my friends who are peaceful, and I only know them before.
May be now all Hindus are no more like that. I see many counter examples in this thread. What is the use of justice which may cause disharmony in society?
I really respect my fellow country mens feelings. My opinion is if even it is the justice to build Ram mandir there, but it is not the right time brothers. Tell me here any one want to see the blood shed on the name of Ram. In this context I mentioned the people to first every Indian should be educated so that he is in a position to realize the necessity of justice keeping his religious values aside.
If you all people still feel that I am distracting all you people from focussing on building ram temple. I am sorry friends. This would be my last reply in this discussion.
May God guides us all towards thinking for only good for the society.
Peace
@An Indian Muslim
The discussion here is about the proof shown in the video.
Again you talk about blood shed. What is the need to bring in the topic of blood shed?
We have a proof here which is unearthed by ASI of India.
This video will be the eyeopener for some of the Hindus (and others) who think some people are unnecessarily raking up the Ayodhya issue.
This will serve as a proof and let them know the injustice done to them.
Why do you think so negetively, after seeing the video the concerned brothers too will know the facts and understand the situation and very well hand over the place to Hindus peacefully.
On one hand you talk peace. On the other hand you bring in new topics about Buddhist temple and use the name of Sankaracharya. Don’t you think these are the topics of distraction.
I can digest whatever truth is about Adi Shankaracharya. What is wrong in Shankaracharya saying Bhuddha is the avatar of Vishnu? He did not go on rampage and destroy sacred places of other followers neither he provoked anyone to do so. Many people are aware about this.
If buddhists think their place of worship has been taken over by force, they have every right to fight for their justice.
I had to give so much of the explanation.
This is the reason I said you are distracting people in the discussion into other topics.
Mr. An Indian Muslim,
Please don’t try to talk like a peace maker. I sincerely have some serious questions about this.
1. Why do you think that there is going to be bloodshed? Because of the opposition that might happen if the temple is going to build. Right?
2. Why should that opposition happen first in place? Because of the other section of people also want the site to retain it to themselves.
3. Why are that section of the people (may be you are one of them. I don’t know.) want to retain it for themselves? Because they think that they are carrying some values which are totally connected to their own community.
4. What kind of values are those that are making that section of people so staunch to keep it for themselves?
5. As per Quran or according to “pbuh”, can any Masjid in this world be named after a human being?
6. Can any Masjid exist without a minar? Can anyone pray in them?
7. If it is so sentimental for that other section, why aren’t they performing any prayers in them?
[THIS IS LIKE MOM DOESN’T FEED AND DOESN’T ALLOW TO BEG ALSO.]
8. The other section doesn’t want to use that place for prayers and doesn’t want to allow someone who has some sentimental bond with that to perform prayers. What kind of justice is that? What kind of understanding and a quality of brotherhood as claiming by you lies in that?
9. Again, if it is that sentimental for the other section to give up that place, what kind of sentiment is that? What is it that makes them feel that they want it? Is it a real Masjid that was built by Muslims with the norms as mentioned in Quran or is it a sacred tomb of Babur?
10. If some enemy - Babur (I am sorry if you don’t like that kind of addressing Babur, I am saying sorry because I 100% believe that you are biased towards Babur Masjid just because you are a Muslim and Babur too is a Muslim and that’s why you are talking like that without understanding the actual situation and the feelings of the other community. I am an Indian before I am a Muslim or a Hindu or a Christian or etc. and whoever comes to fight with my country is an enemy to me.) who came on to fight with Indians and whose motive at that time is all to loot the richest India to its core, as an Indian, first of all I have no respect for him and people whoever want to be called as an Indian citizen should not respect him either. If that is not the case, suspicion arises about their patriotism.
11. And, people, I mean especially Muslims who live in Ayodhya, already told that they are not performing prayers in that and they don’t have any kind of bond with that and also they are willing to give it off that illegally occupied site to Hindus. You can find their interviews in the newspaper “The Hindu” within a week after Karseva happened.
12. Babur’s tomb is lying in Afghanistan at some corner with no one to take care of. People over there don’t even respect him. Why so much of following for him in India to where he doesn’t belong at all?
13. Similar case is happening in Israel. Muslims constructed a dome exactly in the place where Jews had their Temple previously. And now they fight that it is their sacred place and Jews are not allowing them to visit their sacred place and offer prayers. Can you teach or preach all Muslims known to you that why there should be bloodshed in Israel and leave the thing as it is? Can you please tell them it doesn’t make you much difference whether Muslims need to visit that place or not? If you can answer this question, you will also find answer to your own statement “It doesn’t make me much difference whether in Ayodhya Temple or Masjid exists.
14. You got to understand everyone has some feelings and some value associated with those feelings. Let me ask you one more question. If someone occupies your own land that is being passed as an inheritance from your ancestors generations together upon which you carry sentimental values, will you go to court to fight and get it back or will you simply think why bloodshed or fighting, let me leave it to them and sit at home?
15. You know what, worldwide only Muslims on a bigger scale do this. If anyone conquers some place usually the tendency should be taking over, looting and least destroying the valuable things. But this is peculiar. Destroying that is too sentimental to someone and building on top of that a dome, calling it a masjid. I don’t understand the underlying thought that goes. Because the same pattern can be observed everywhere and in India it happened to numerous temples. What kind of justice is this?
Whether you know it or not, there are still Idols in that and Congress was in ruling several years back appointed a Priest who is paid a government salary to perform prayers in that. People used to visit it. And again that was made stopped. I don’t know what Muslims leaders want to gain over that. Do you think Muslims though initially have entered into this country from somewhere else and enjoyed the welcome and warmth of Hindus through generations together, are really valuing Hindus with this kind of meaningless arrogance.
Lastly, why don’t you take it easy on Allah or PBUH and stop going to Masjid just one time? If you can’t do that, Hindus can’t stop going to Ram JanmaBhumi. It is the same value towards their God Rama as you have towards Allah. Please don’t tell me psuedo secularism ideals.
Thanks,
Hey Prashanth,
I replied to “An Indian Muslim”. And here is my message to you also. What do you mean by secularism? That means irrespective of religion, caste, race etc., everyone is equivalent infront of India’s higher justice, Supreme Court. Then only it is secular.
In such case, why do Muslims have “Muslim Personal Law”? Is it not going against Supreme Court and Indian Constitution and seperating the religion from court? Population is growing like anything in India, and lot of Muslims don’t follow family planning and actually Mullahs don’t wish Muslims doing that, because it is against Quran. But, it can be against country’s situation.
Why can a Muslim divorce so easily, why don’t everyone of them go to court? Why are they following “Muslim Personal Law” in this issue?
Prasanth, there are so many issues like that. May be being in USA, you might have become very secular. Because, christians over there won’t demolish temples and construct Churches over there. You are given freedom to pray in the place you like. That’s why sitting in A/C and by reading Psuedo-Secularism social books may make you talk like that. Nothing wrong. But it is your responsibility to learn the facts what’s going on and then talk.
In my own country, to pray in my own temple which has so much sentimental value associated with, I don’t need anyone’s acknowledgement. No one has right to stop the people who wants to build the temple. If someone is stopping, they are not true Indian citizens. They are wearing a mask of Indian citizen. Because, as I already told, the first reason is, Babur is India’s enemy and also who has no such value among Muslims worldwide. He is not God, or “Pbuh” or not even a messengerof God or “Pbuh”. Who was he? Just a king or ruler!!! Why are Muslims so arrogant about giving it back? Is it just to satisfy their stupid false “EGO” which is well known worldwide?
I completely agree with you Mr/Miss right attitude. I dont know all these facts and sentimental values. As a remote muslim sitting in hyderabd I can only see the hatred in an Hindu who is asking justice. As you said may be I am forced to see like that. But believe me it is not my religion which taught it, it is the situation which forced us to do.
I dont know about other things which happened all around the world about the temples of jews and masques. If the war between Muslims and Jews is about the holyland. I beg every Muslim and Jews to stop blood shed. My view is still the same, one innocents life worth more for me. May be I am asking a favour or you can say begging to all Indians (I dont diiferentiate b/w Muslim and non Muslim) to think logically and take decision. If one community want to pray there if other community are not at all having a wish to do so the justice is to allow them to pray. I completely agree, this is the justice.
For your information
1. I really hate everyone who invaded India in past and trying to do now.
2. I truely believe my ancestors took Isalm because they believed in that. And I belong to this land, and it is an Individual right to choose his religion. I know you wont denie it.
3. Stop thinking that it is the EGO which stops Muslims, to allow you to construct the Ram temple. I will elaborate why.
As you said you dont need any acknowledgement or permission to construct a Ram temple there, I say that is a wrong view. People all over in India are not as intelligent as you. They will be simply modulated by fake politicians to cause blood shed. And every one knows there are still people in both communities who enjoys by doing this. Example is recent Gujarath incident. I am not asking you people to be seculiaristic, just asking to be more humanitic. Am I asking some thing which you can not give?
I am just asking a justice to be postponed untill people are so intelligent so that no one can be modulated by these politicians.
I have seen many people around me they want Ram temple in ayodhya simply because they dont like to see a Masq there. You know this happens truely because of hatred. I am sorry I can draw only that conclusion from these kind of attitude people. If a match between Pakistan and India happening people still asks will you be happy if Pakistan wins? This is what majority of people thinks, that we are not part of the country. We are just living here because they are so merciful and secularistic to do that. Give me a break. I am as true Indian as them may be more patriotic than this kind of mob. These are the reasons which force us to Isolate from this kind of Mob. This kind of Mob dont want us to be in India. And these people think that they will have an upper hand if some one constructs a Ram temple in Ayodhya. I heard this by my own. Everyone knows the majority of Hindus who are participating in the act of constructing Ram temple are these kind people only. Correct me If my view is wrong.
Coming to your reply to Prashant. I have few commnets about it:
1. Shariyat law: Muslims follow that because they believe in it (atleat majority of them). What is the use of a Law on which people dont believe. I am not saying some thing wrong with Indian law. But whats wrong in having a separate law. Do we have a separate criminal law? I dont think so. Then where is the problem for you people. Do we have some favour in Shariyat which Indian law considers to be sin and Shariyat allow you to escape?. I dont think so. I will be glad to know if they are any? Do you think that we want separate law simply because we want to be treated separately in India. Then your views are not transparent and you are also biased.
2. What are you trying to explain how easy it is to Divorce a woman in Shariyat? I dont get your intension. If they are any flaws in this process we will correct them soon. I completely agree there is a flaw. But your intensions pointing them to Prashant, ha ha I thought you were a rational thinker by seeing a reply to me, but after seeing your reply to Prashant lol..
3. And coming to the issue of abortion. You dont know the facts. It is sin to kill a child in womb of mother and Islam treat it among the biggest sins. If you are talking about family planning. Well many from my family did that. Do you know the fact that the people from Saudi also come to India to that.
What are your intensions pointing all these things to Prashant, do you mean to say the Muslims in India are causing lot of hell problems for you Hindus to live in India? Your reply clearly show you mean it. I am extremely sorry brother for your thinking.
See I am not defending any one community. All my last reply also dont indicate that. This is the perception of Hindu reader to a muslim boy’s reply. None of my replies to thread said that you people dont have the right to Construct a Ram temple there. But every one who replied to me have the perception that I am againest it. So sad. Such a biased people. Most of you are againest the Muslim believes. I dont mind, and I dont try to change your opinion. I just tried you to be more humanitic than religiostic, considering present situations in India.
I also think I have deviated much from actual topic. But these are the emotions of an Indian Muslim.
Kind regards
Shaik
@An Indian Muslim
But at the same time you did not say Hindus have the right to build a temple there even after the proof is presented. Instead you went on to say the video is created by some second category people.
Is it not true that ASI has done excavation at the site?
Is it not true that proof of temple existense is found there?
Is it not true whatever Babur has mentioned in Babur nama?
Forget about the uneducated people. After knowing the facts you criticised the video which brings to light many facts. Many responsible educated people are aware of these fatcts even before they saw this video.
With respect to your point 2 -
In the past, you might also be aware that many hundreds and thousands were forced to follow a different belief by terrorizing them.
People around you want to see a ram temple there because that place rightly belongs to a temple, not because they do not want to see any other structure.
I am not sure if this video creates any problem or not but you words definetely might create problem. You are intrepreting people feelings as hatred , blood shed.
your replies doesn’t seem to favor any words like understanding, justice, peace.
@rightattitude
Well,
I had a comment on the same website for some other post about minority reservations. I supported common law.
So in my opinion. We should abolish Muslim personal law or Hindu law or Christian law. We should have one common law. Every person of any religion can marry according to their religion but they should register their marriage. Same with divorce or any other issue.
About Mullahs & Family Planning,
I did remember commenting on this issue too. Truth is that I hate any religious leaders… who manipulate people. I am sure you are talking about polio vaccinations & family planning in UP. This happened because govt has not taken adequate steps and these mullah’s are filling the void.
So the bottom line is that there are many things that should change in India. I am trying my best by explaining this to all my friends back in India.
Thanks,
Prashnath
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Point is simple …….
There was a temple. Babur — an invador and terrorist — demolished that temple and build a stucture. Our so called secular politicians has named that structure “Babri Masjid”.
Is,t it a shame for us that some of us are fighting for a structure which is made by an invador???
Now something about Ram ……. Ram was born in Ayodhya thousands years ago, and we worship him as god because of his deeds. (He was born thousands year before the berth of Islam or Christienity.) He is a “Mahapurush” of india and every Indian should have some respect for him.
Now, being an Indian, you decide whether you want a temple in name of a Babur (Babri Masjid) or in name of Ram (Ram Temple).
There will be no blood-shed if every one of us understand this fact and behave like a true indian. The blood shed is only because we are not trying to understand the fact — for whatever reason.
We want temple there because …
1. It was a temple which was demolished by Babur.
2. We hate Babur and we worship Ram.
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I understand the real fact and as a democratic country.
Why cann’t people follow the Moral values, honesty , respect towards the human beings like Lord RAM .
Every body want to point the mistakes by showing there
pointing finder towards other.Why cann’t they see the
remaining other fingers shows towards them.