Pakistan: Karachi’s Madrasas and Violent Extremism (Misc.)

The International Crisis Group (ICG), a think tank organization, has said that the Pakistan military regime’s reliance on religious parties for political survival and sectarian tilt of state institutions have led to the “mushrooming” of madarsas in Karachi and other parts, which have sent ‘Jihadis’ to Jammu and Kashmir & Afghanistan.

When asked (madrasa students) about list the priorities for Pakistan,

  1. 99.2 per cent of madrasa students answered conquering Kashmir
  2. 97.7 per cent implementation of Sharia law
  3. 96.1 per cent developing nuclear weapons
  4. 87.7 per cent strengthening the army
  5. Over 73 percent of madrasa students opposed equal rights for women
  6. 81.6 per cent opposed equal rights for Ahmedis
  7. 71.7 per cent were against Christians and Hindus.
  8. Nearly half said democracy was not a priority,
  9. More than 76 per cent were against freedoms for the electronic media.

If you look at the above points, you can see how extremists work. No freedom, no equal rights, no democracy, no religious freedom, no press freedom!

More than ever Pakistan is currently going into the hands of extremists. Musharraf cannot act as he needs to be re-elected and there is a huge power vacuum. The only way this can be prevented is that our Pakistani moderate brothers have to step up in curbing this extremism. They should not give-in to these extremists and have to protect their rights.

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Source: CrisisGroup

Published by media.desi March 31st, 2007
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41 Responses to “Pakistan: Karachi’s Madrasas and Violent Extremism (Misc.)”


  1. 1 rao Mar 31st, 2007 at 10:37 am

    thanks

  2. 2 Reformer Mar 31st, 2007 at 12:47 pm

    fuck militants

  3. 3 mentor Mar 31st, 2007 at 12:55 pm

    The questions asked to students at madarsas in pakistan are them self aimed to get such response and defame them .

    i would like to clarify one each point

    1. 99.2 % want to conquer kashmir . every pakistani claims kashmir to be their’s as every indian does. this % shows they are nationalist.

    2. 97 % want shariah law. what wrong for muslims to have there own law . its like hindus willing to establish ram rajya.

    3. 96 % support acquiring nuclear weapons . does not we Indians like India to be more powerful than any other nation. its the same feeling.

    4. 87 % want to strengthen army . tell me, does not Indians want to do that. infact we spend major chunk of budget money oin this.

    5 73 % do not agree to give equal right to women.
    this is some thing wrong but the madrasa does impart this. because unlike hindu law , shariah law women have property rights. And about marriage its possible on their consent and dont need to be burnt or suffer due dowry. unlike in india where over 1 crore girls were aborted before birth(source — bbc survey ) girls are free to live in pakistan. of course rapes in pakistan ,so the condition is worser in india. even diplomats from other countries were raped in our rape capital delhi.

    6. 81% oppose ahmedias . who are they, they are the people who are agianst the madrasa and mainstream islam with there new fraud baba type religion. of course even many hindu would be opposed.

    7. 71 % oppose hindus, so do hindus in india do to muslims and christians in many north and west states like gujrath, mp , up , other hinduthva heartlands where fools like thakre , thogadia, ….. many more are liked not bcoz of them being good practicing hindus but just of there illogical anti-muslim stands. bajrang dal and other similar groups have hands in killing of missionaries and rapes of nuns. genocide in gujrat and roits in other places. bombing of samjotha express are there activities.

    8. half say democracy no priority.
    who said said democracy is always good. even hitler came to power through democracy . elected PM like benazir bhutto made pakistan a hell and what we have now. musharuff is far better and working for better pakistan.

    9 huge % against electronic media bcoz this media is against them . you see fox, cnn, and sky , star , times,
    ………. all these are western capitalist media propaganda machines which they use against their counter parts quit cunningly . when innocent tribal muslim people are killed in bombings they say ” suspected militants were killed”.

    so stop posting anti muslim or hatred messages

  4. 4 Justice 4 All Mar 31st, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    Thank you mentor, that was an excellent summary and a very fair analysis. Wish all the news reporting was as fair and just as your facts.

  5. 5 Kumar Mar 31st, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    Let’s not bother about what Pakistan is? Let’s concentrate on people who live in India, eat Indian food and Support Pakistan.

  6. 6 nothing Mar 31st, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    First of all, thanks for the article.

    Dear mentor,

    You seem to compare every point above to the Indians as if it is Indian vs Pakistan. It is not! nationalism, religious law, nuclear weapons and dictatorship are the last things any nation should want. Look at the havoc it created around us. These are bad for India, Pakistan and any other nation!

  7. 7 lenbin Mar 31st, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    @admin we like to have more of such articles.

    @kumar what u said is exactly right”Eating Indian Food And supporting pak” thats coz mentor is nt an Indian he is just posing as indian.we can understand that clearly from his “Hindus and ramarajya” statement.coz any indian citizen(if he is of any religion) will have clear idea on our social structure. percentage of those ppl who dream bout ramarajya and utopian socialism in india is may be less than 1% total population as indians are well aware of the advantages of Democracy.by the way those people who think bad for Indian Muslims is very less. we love all Indians as brothers and sisters thats how we r taught.

    An Indian woman.

  8. 8 media.desi Mar 31st, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    @ Mentor

    I, one of the admin and the author of this post and would like to clarify some things. Let me start from your conclusion.

    //so stop posting anti muslim or hatred messages
    This is not an anti-muslim message. But an anti extremism message. I personally do the same with VHP or Bajrangdal.

    //Every pakistani claims kashmir to be their’s as every indian does. this % shows they are nationalist.

    But not everyone engages in terrorist activities. There is a difference between moderates thinking & extremists activities.

    //97 % want shariah law. what wrong for muslims to have there own law . its like hindus willing to establish ram rajya.

    Again we in India do have a constitution giving full rights to all religions. Pakistan to some extent allows this. But the sharia law these extremists are talking about will erase religious rights and paves way for another Afghanistan.

    //96 % support acquiring nuclear weapons . does not we Indians like India to be more powerful than any other nation. its the same feeling.

    I am not opposing Pakistan as a nation to have nuclear weapons. Its there right to have them. But extremists acquiring nuclear weapons is a big issue. We certainly do not want an unstable religious zealot to acquire them do we?

    //73 % do not agree to give equal right to women. this is some thing wrong but the madrasa does impart this. because unlike hindu law , shariah law women have property rights.

    Please understand that I am not comparing this to any religion. Take an example of former Afghanistan or Saudi with no rights for women. The Sharia law can be interpreted in many ways. The way these extremists interpret will create problems.

    //71 % oppose hindus, so do hindus in india do to muslim

    People in India do not care or oppose other religions. If you take VHP etc I will place them in same category as extremist religious people from above mentioned Madrassa’s.

    //who said said democracy is always good. even hitler came to power through democracy .

    Democracy gives us the freedom to choose and exercise our right. Even in India its not perfect but we will be there. If you say democracy is not good then I cannot influence your thinking. All I wanna say is this, Democracy is allowing you to type this comment on this site.

    //9 huge % against electronic media bcoz this media is against them

    Why? Even in Pakistan why? Why do you think they are against them?

    I will conclude this comment by this message.

    Freedom of choice is an important issue. Every person should have the right to choose, practice his / her beliefs. Freedom allows a child to play (Remember former Afghanistan govt banned this) I will personally oppose any kind of censorship in this matter. Finally do remember that this Freedom of choice is allowing you to comment on this site.

    =======================================
    NOTE: THE POINTS LISTED IN THE POST ARE FROM THE REPORT AND IN NO WAY MODIFIED BY US.

  9. 9 rauf mohammed abdul Mar 31st, 2007 at 6:16 pm

    hi friends i say never ever beleive a pakistani even when he dies at his last wishes, worlds most cunning and extremest terrorests are pakis all of my indian brothers be ware with pakistanis they are —– cant say any more about them coz really bad people.

  10. 10 pinky Mar 31st, 2007 at 11:03 pm

    i guess mentor is against india…as no indian can speak that way…..71% oppose hindus-so do indians in india…..u dont find a temple in every street in pak,about hindu leaders in pak..that is out of question,ummmm abt christianity hindus are fully pledged to join in any religion,there are no restrictins 4 that,u find mosques AND CHURCHES jus as u find a temples in india…when i was in skool i used to pray JESUS songs as it was a missionary skool and no one had objections in it as we beleive every religion is same…..du u think that happens in pak, our president is a muslim,our most of the bolly hero;s are muslims,same wid our cricketers …our indian muslim sania mirza is the first woman who is in top 100…we never fight among each other and to tell ya the fact our muslims live peacefully here…they are not suppressed like the hindus in pak..tell me the lists of famous hindus in pak

    AGAINST DEMOCRACY- india is under the category of developing country coz of democracy,china is trying to change its gov by gettin rid of communism,america as a new country never wanted monopoly in the beginning after seeing england,wat abt saddam hussain he killed many people …did people go against him …no why??? itz monopoly….did that help….if there is no power in the hands of people then that wud be a advantage 4 leaders….america as a developed country is tryin to bring democracy in iran and iraq in the sense of bringing it up…. i live in america and studyin here so i know better how americans think abt this world…india is admired 4 its democracy and that is the main reason america is trading and as well as sharing its weapons secrets with it….we rule tha gov and our leaders…we have the freedom speech and movement.if democracy is considered as wrong then there is no stupid question other than this

    so u say that democracy is wrong….so r u supporting the monoply where people like saddam hussain killing innocent people and sucking up the blood….dis shows how stupid these paki;s are…..paki;s cant assure wat leader they get as the power is not in their hands…..they have to keep their fingers crossed all the time..pity them

    well about media…who supports a terrorist country, pakistanis are a threat to everyone…many people well i rather say civilians are killed in 9011 attack…du u think media will suppot them…if i were a president of america i wud have destroyed the whole pak…wats wrong….remember dont kill humanity in the name of religion… every religion tells us to serve the mankind not killing it….

    annexation of kashmir……–forget it… pak, afghanisthan are part of india…it is we who gave our land to those people ….why will we again give our precious land again …we r not nuts…..pak people are selfish….they want foreign lands which they dont deserve
    why shud indians give their lands after all itz our land

    abt nuclear weapons—pak is not a democratic country(remember)…who knows it can kill people innocently jus like 9011 attack…abt india …it makes its own weapons to gain its own safety …..it beleives that weapons shud not kill humanity….how can u give a block of stone to a monkey on the tree……same here ..recently in a american news i saw an american saying that ….if india were like pak then whole of the world wud be in sorrow(terrorism)…..how can pak build its own weapons when its a threat to whole of the world……..no one will support it..even u if u were the victim of this

    ram rajya.——did u know that a chief minister in india is fighting for 5% reservations 4 muslims..we have freedom of religion….no brat tries to bring india as ram rajya…gujrat riots are coz of past things…remember this is not against muslims…it is a movement to give sum importance to hindu temples…which were destroyed previously…we r living wid so many religions here…does pak live peacefully that way…no chance…….no muslim or christian is forced to leave his religion and join hinduism….no one here tries to bring ram rajya…thatz jus ur illusion

    TO CONCLUDE HERE PAKS ARE FOOLS….THEY MADE EVERY MUSLIM FEEL ASHAMED ……THER ARE MANY GOOD MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD WHO ARE ON RIGHT PATH…BUT THESE PEOPLE GAVE A WROND NOTION TO EVERYONE THAT MUSLIMS BELEIVE IN TERRORISM….A WASTE COUNTRY WHO EATS ,DRINKS AND SLEEPS WITH TERRORISM…….RECENTLY I SAW SOME EPISODES ABT PAK AND ABT THEIR DAILY STUFF…TO MY UTTER SHOCK KIDS WERE FORCED TO MUG UP RELIGION (THEY WERE NOT UNDERSTANDING IT BUT JUS MUGGING UP) BEFORE THEY STUDY SUBJECTS LIKE MATH,SCIENCE AND OTHERS

    PAKS ARE BIG FOOLS…..I AM NOT AGAINST MUSLIMS BUT AGAINST PAKI;S WHO MAKE DISASTERS WID THEIR ABSURD KNOWLEDGE ABT RELIGION ……PLZ PAKIS STOP UR NONSENSE …..NO RELIGION SUPPORTS TERRORISM AND BLOOD SHED OF MANKIND….DONT GIVE A SHAME FOR OTHER MUSLIMS LIVING IN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD.

    jai hind…mera bharat mahan

  11. 11 Rakesh Mar 31st, 2007 at 11:58 pm

    awesome pinky, nicely told……i wish atleast some paki’s will read this and try to realize wht they r into and wt they need to do now…….

    Jai Hind, Hamara Bharat Mahaan……

  12. 12 pinky Apr 1st, 2007 at 12:26 am

    thanks rajesh ….but there were few gramatical mistakes here and there and so sorry abt that. mentor is a pakisthani…there is no doubt abt it.it is pakisthani;s who feel democracy is bad..pity them…letz not stop this ….and let us tell them everything before they dont fall into ignorance…..

    @justice 4 all
    dont tell me that u are a indian plz….if u happen to be a non indian then ignore my words..i dont find anything fair in those mentorwords..infact i had a hearty laugh abt how people think dis way

  13. 13 pinky Apr 1st, 2007 at 1:28 am

    mentor i also forgot to tell u..india is developing…even girls are given equal rights here..and abt dowry and stuff comparitively it has decreased alot, u know why…. girls are working in good companies in india where they get salaries equal to those of men…so why guyz take dowry …wake up man….u seem to think about late india…. i will not pay a pie 4 dowry in the future…not only me …itz the case wid everyone…….rapes aaahhhh u find them in every country …u said to stop abt these anti muslim messages well u clearly understand that this is not abt religion itz all abt abt a stupid country which is ruining itself based on religion……dis is to point out abt the downs in ur country…well if benazir was bad as ur president it is not democracy;s fault…it is ur fault to elect a useless person…after america india is regarded as the land of oppurtunities …all dis became possible coz of democracy we are given freedon 4 everything….now stop ritin all rubbish and try to get the facts that ur country is in danger…and try to work out 4 the peace talks wid other countries so that u ppl can develop and help america for surrendering those terrorists in ur country….

    when we see our players playing either it be a muslim hindu or christian we always pray that they shud win…we consider them as indian we dont not care abt his/her religion……try to remove this religion discrimination and beleive in humanity that is the gud suggestion i can give u and ur paki;s

  14. 14 Srikanth Apr 1st, 2007 at 8:53 am

    Hey Pinky,

    You are the one, and we (Indians) are one, wether it is hindu or muslim.. we india are always great.. letz say the same word to WORLD.

    “Meera Bharat Mahan”

    Srikanth

  15. 15 kirr Apr 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pm

    lol,mentor ur not mentor ur complete opposite to that..u must be either paki or a bad muslim who also go to madarsa in india where they teach to support pak or such kinda theories.man i doesnt want any hindu law,i want women to have equality though in india now they are getting some meaning less one like one put up by Renuka Chowdary.and if you talk to educated person or unaducated one here in india they first want food for poor people rathar than buying neuclear weapons like paki people do as they doesnt have their own technology they spend money on that.whole world knows how musharaf came into power and how he blindly supports terrorists,if democracy was there some one would pulled his leg and kicked him off and FYI there is no possiblity of hitlers in INDIA like there is now in PAK(musharaf) who would had been that if US super power was not be there to kick his ass if he become one.And about electronic media it supports what world is thinking and shows them the truth.not like in madrsas where they keep them away from outside world and feed shit into their mind and PINKY ur views are verymuch rite though i couldnt read whole as it is too big

  16. 16 Comman-Man Apr 1st, 2007 at 12:39 pm

    @ pinky:
    “when i was in skool i used to pray JESUS songs” Well u where forced too..u didn’t had any option other than changing school.
    “our president is a muslim,” The nation knows what he has given to India. And he deserved the position.
    “tell me the lists of famous hindus in pak” There aren’t any. Coz Y wud hindu want to give missile technology to Islamic country just as our President did.
    You talk about Democracy: I also live in US, The most imp Q asked here in US is Can a Black person be President of this country now? You call this a developed nation? They Y they have trouble in accepting a Black president? Coz they are still racist ppl leaving in civilized nation. We don’t knw if Saddam was right or wrong in killing his own countrymen, But I ask U, what right US has to go to a foreign land & Kill 650,000 Yes SIX FIFTY THOUSAND ppl (CNN estimate). What did US get later? They entire world knw that there where not any WMD’s in IRAQ found, the war was for Oil not for WMD’s. We know from history that white men always invaded the world. You must be knowing if u hav read history.
    “remember dont kill humanity in the name of religion…” Hitler(Democrat) killed 6 Million jews, whom shud we account for ? Christianity? Democracy? Or Hitler?
    4,500 Muslims where killed in Gujarat riots. Whom shud we account for ? Democracy? Hindutva? Or Modi?… LOOK there are Blacksheeps in every community, if you try to point fingers to muslims blacksheeps there are blacksheeps in ur community too…then shud I blame Hindu religion for that ? ofcourse not…
    “pak, afghanisthan are part of india…it is we who gave our land to those people” Ridiculous …..LOL… Well I can say that Muslims ruled India for 1000 years…then hindus got land from British people.
    “abt nuclear weapons—pak is not a democratic country(remember)…who knows it can kill people innocently” ……The most mightiest country on earth…USA..has already killed 650,000 ppl. You think of 4500 people killed in 911 attack not 650,000 ppl getting killed in Iraq …what kind of person r u ? Lunatic?
    ”RECENTLY I SAW SOME EPISODES ABT PAK AND ABT THEIR DAILY STUFF…TO MY UTTER SHOCK KIDS WERE FORCED TO MUG UP RELIGION” Well you must reading ur Geeta or Ramayana in ur early age or even now without even understanding it .. Don’t you? I have so many hindu friends here in US, who in early morning start reciting bagwat Geeta, When I asked then the meaning none cud tell me …all looked to me as if I am not talking English ..:)
    I love my country as much as you do ….

  17. 17 Sakshi Apr 1st, 2007 at 12:50 pm

    Pinky i agree with ur words completely.
    In short Believe in mankind.
    IN THE NAME OF RELIGION PLZ DONT SPOIL THE WORLDS PEACE.

  18. 18 Mentoring the 'Mentor' Apr 1st, 2007 at 6:02 pm

    FOR MENTOR — Are you a Indian? You don’t seem to be… leave alone a Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Buddist or Parsi… you seem to be a extremist yourself…. “a person having extreme view…” is the definition for extremisim. If you are a Indian, why don’t you give your name and address… you don’t even seem to be level headed person. Sorry for having wasted my time mentoring you. If you want to learn about India… go live there for some time, or talk to any one of us… we will show you what India is, and how Indians are…!!! Say Aloud - Jai Hind..!! :) :) :)

  19. 19 pinky Apr 1st, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    @ common man

    wait why u hiding ur nationality …u seem to write as a indian who is against india..that looks crazy 4 me nywayz….
    i was not forced to sing jesus songs in skool,if i am not interested i can shut my mouth and listen simply….no probs..i did sing with satisfaction…those songs were really cool and we njoyed them singing ….same wid everyone…when
    there were hindu festivals we use to do shows about hindu gods and stuff..and the christian staff did see them…but they never volunteered as they did not have knowledge abt hinduism….did u find diff religions showing co operation dis way in ur country …well u hardly cant find temples and churches in ur country…h can u say sumthin abt dis….

    well our president is muslim; yes i too agree he;s done a lot to us…but that does not have anything to do wid presidentship here u seem to have no knowledge abt india our past presidents were muslims and there were not scientists HIGHLIGHT THIS POINT….abdul kalam is wise(not mentionong intelligence here) dedicated (he never got married),hardworking …..dese are his characterstics……we got attracted to his good things…….leave it now tell me will u elect a hindu as a president in ur country ….i can betcha no way…u can;t elect hindu even though he is greater than our president abdul kalaam ….ur conscience know this…

    why wud hindu give missile technology to a muslim country……….first stop suppressing hindus in ur country give them freedom of religion like our great country does…..nywayz ur government is full of corruption how can sum one 4rm ur country develop weapons when it is hazardous to the humanity no fool does that after all its a terrorist country….

    Sir if u r living in america i pity u not checking out the current politics here…..they was a black president named abraham lincoln….comin to the present do u know who is the goin to be the president after bush ITZ A BLACK MAN…..YES BELEIVE ME…..AMERICA IS GONNA ELECT HIM AS THE PRESIDENT……the election is between clinton;s wife and this black man..u must have seen him in magazines and stuff sorry i always forget his name…nywayz tell ya when i remember.

    but i will ask u wat right america has intervening wid iraq——did u know america has intervened in cuba and phillipines and fought 4 them against spain declaring independence 4 them….thatz american nature….same here america is fighting wid iran and iraq 4 two things …to help them 4rm atrocities ,and 4 oil……even its 4 oil there is a gud cause too….du u know how many american soldiers are killed during war…they also spend 3 million dollars a week…yes 3 million ……america on the other hand is making sacrifices…it is also thinking abt north korea to attack them but it has china;s support here…..which country wud leave a terrorist country which threateninig 4 its people and interests.. it is iran and iraq;s fault so i do support america…..here both countries are losing their men too.

    Hitler jilled jews—–that was long back…where most people were not educated to really know wat is correct or not…no hitler in this generation can exist in the name of democracy and people did not know abt his atrocities before electing him….u know…..people now r not stupids to elect a hitler in dis generation…hey talk abt the present man

    4500 muslims were killed in guj riots——also tell me how many hindus too were dead in these riots…muslims were not targeted in these riots…it was a fight between them…hindus too died in this…..

    we got lands 4rm british —ha ha ha wat a joke india is our own land….later britishers in the name of trading started ruling over us….we fought and got it back…and some stupids(these pakistanis) wanted sum land and begged 4 it so we who got exhausted wid british gave sum of our land ….same wid afghanistan…..u ppl begged and we people gave it to u…be satisfied 4 that atleast …..now wid kashmir…dont ever think abt it…no idea of giving it
    to u ppl ……here muslims did not originate 4rm india…(poor history u;ve got)…they migrated 4rm middle east….and then same like british started ruling over us…..india is not a muslim;s country it was ruled by them 4 sum yrs and thatz it…main diff between british and muslims is that muslims settled in india while british left the country….man u got to go 4 online history u r talkin blunders here….

    usa a mighty country…killing civilians—–why du u think america is targeting sum countries…..coz it is a threat 4 the whole world….wat can it do …it is not doin dis purposely killing civilians…its main target is to kill the culprits…….if it cares abt people and leave those rascals the whole world gets destroyed…ur countries dont beleive in humanity they beleive in only JIHAD…killing ppl all around the world…9011 killed civilians jus as a revenge ….but America is fighting to remove these tragedy creaters…….dont ever compare wid that country it is

    far ahead of u ppl,same applies to india too…

    hindus reading vedic books ——i learned math;eng and science before knowing wat religion du i belong to..my first learning was A,B,C,D…… not religion,but knew there was god……religion was not in my mind at that time….abt ur hindu room mates they are not mugging up…they are reading it….here i am talkin abt the importance of education….go and ask those hindus whether they were put in closed rooms and forced to learn gita…..education is a main preference here in india….. forgot to tell u our country does not teach terrorism to our kids…..i;ve seen a news channel in america which was showing how pakistanis were teaching lessons abt terrorism 4 young children

    WAKE UP PAK DONT RUIN URSELVES …..TRY TO GET SUM EDUCATION ABT SUBJECTS LIKE MATH ,SCIENCE..ETC……..TERRORISM DOES NOT FEED U WID FUD…AND STOP UR F****N JIHAD….TRY TO BELEIVE IN MANKIND

    OUR FAMOUS HINDU SAYING

    SERVING TO MANKIND IS LIKE SERVING TO GOD……..

  20. 20 krunal Apr 1st, 2007 at 9:20 pm

    4,500 Muslims where killed in Gujarat riots. Whom shud we account for ? Democracy? Hindutva? Or Modi?…

    The person who is writing this didnot know what was the situation at that riot time.
    They purposelly target the train which carried the 56 innocent people including women and the children at godhra station.
    we,gujaratis, always forgive the mistakes of the muslim.
    In vadodara and ahemdabad,you dont know what kind of muslim people we have.they salute the pakistani flag,they celebrate 14th august yes 14 th august pakistani independance day.they dont like india.As a gujarati I know all of this.
    If this train incident would happen in pakistan than what would happen.If some hindu killed the muslims who are coming from the ‘HAJ’ from makka in pakistan than what would happen????

    everybody is remembering this incident and blamming us,gujaratis.but why dont anyone rise the point about the kashmiri hindu pandit.
    Muslim extrimist targetting the hindus and they are killing them in JK region.I think there are 25 to 30,000 hindu pandits are homeless and countless are killed.

    IN india muslims are given all the luxury and we dont have any problem.But we stop mentionig the gujarat riot because there is no fair analysis for the riot time.

  21. 21 kirr Apr 2nd, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    @PINKY
    I accept whatever you said except about ABRAHAM LINCOLN being Black…as far as i know he is a white guy who supported eradication of slavery and yeah there are chances of next president to be black

  22. 22 kirr Apr 2nd, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    Common Man change ur name back to MENTOR we know ur the same extremist with different name

  23. 23 pinky Apr 2nd, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    no kirr abraham lincoln is a black…currently i am studyin abt him in my history class…..

  24. 24 kirr Apr 2nd, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    hey Pinky..i had asked every american in our company and all say that he is white but there is a roumur saying that he had a black kids and they dint had any black president yet and i had googled it see this article “http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa082800b.htm” which debates abt abraham lincoln to be racist or not and see this

    “In the same speech, Lincoln states, “I agree with Judge Douglas that he [a black] is not my equal in many respects, certainly not in color — perhaps not in intellectual and moral endowments; but in the right to eat the bread without leave of anybody else which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every other man.” In this statement, despite his reference to differences in “intellectual and moral endowments,” Lincoln shows his belief that both black and white were entitled to equal rights and protection under the Constitution.”.

    and sorry to say that ur history book must be wrong and sorry people for deviating the topic :)

  25. 25 pROUD tO bE a MUSLIM! Apr 2nd, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    WHATEVER RUBBISH YOU GUYS ARE SAYIN ABOUT ISLAM AND MUSLIMS…BUT ITS A FACT ISLAM IS WOLD’S FASTEST GROWING RELIGION. ONLY IN UU AND EUROPE ABOUT 500 PEOPLE DAILY CONVERTING TO ISLAM…YES…DAILY!!

    AND ITS NOT THE MATTER OF INDIA OR PAKISTAN OR US. EVEN GUJRATI PUNJABI OR BLACK OR WHITE…IT IS A WAR BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND NON-BELIEVERS…MUSLIMS AND NON-MUSLIMS!!

    ALL NON-MUSLIMS ARE ONE AGAINST THE MUSLIMS…AND A NON-MUSLIM CANNOT BE A FRIEND OF A MUSLIM…ITS A FACT, NO MATTER YOU AGREE WITH OR NOT!

    AND MUSLIMS ARE IN TROUBLE JUST BECAUSE OF THEY ARE NOT UNITED. GOD GAVE THEM ALL THE POWER BUT THEY ARE NOT UTILIZING IT…BUT WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THE FUTURE OF ISLAM AND MUSLIM IS OPENLY BRIGHT!
    YOU CAN SAY NO.NO.NO. BUT A COMING TOMORROW WILL SAY IT TO YOU SOON!!

  26. 26 KK Apr 2nd, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    kirr to idher bhi lerki phansaa.salay choot kay bhoot.its a serious topic

  27. 27 pinky Apr 2nd, 2007 at 5:58 pm

    @ proud to be a muslim

    be proud of ur religion….no one cares,if u feel that ur religion is great …itz fine….i dont care….but dont act crazy in the name of religion

    i am still reminding dese pakistanis to stop terrorism…. we r not talkin abt religion here…we are talkin abt these brainless madrassaas….plz dont bring religion into dis discussion

  28. 28 pinky Apr 2nd, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    kirr ur correct hez a white……i checked it out online…when i saw it in my history book there was;nt anything specific that hez a black….i dont know why did i come to that conclusion..may be i thot that way seein his pic…jus got confused as he supported blacks…nywayz sorry…but america;s next president is definetely a black as they dont vote 4 a woman

  29. 29 Hypocrisy is a Sin Apr 2nd, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    The above discussions are worth reading but most of the arguments / comments are coming from heart rather than the mind.
    When a problem occurs then you make an effort in identifying a root cause you do not apply a band-aid to cover it up but try to address the cause.
    The arguments Pinky is making are emotional rather than rational. Evidently her myopic viewpoint is directed against a particular section of society while being ignorant against an equally extremist group on the other side. The “Shakhas” preach an equally distorted and violent perspective. Don’t vent your ignorance against one entity.
    Mentor tried to present a view which he believed justified the responses based on the group that was questioned and the nature of questions asked. One thing he overlooked was that neither does a larger sample of population within a society (Pakistan or India) support such views nor do they endorse them.
    The questions were purposely directed towards a group which was obviously not in a position or capable to respond intellectually to them.
    Had these questions being asked to a cross section of people from various background, I am pretty sure the response would have been very different.
    A person is not a true believer until and unless he desires for his brother what he desires for himself.
    Let us live in peace and spread the message of peace.

  30. 30 get back 2 work Apr 3rd, 2007 at 12:21 am

    lincoln is a melungeon not black

    Mera bharat mahaan

  31. 31 ashycool Apr 3rd, 2007 at 8:00 am

    @pinky

    America’s next president cud be Republican too, dont you think thats a possiblity?

  32. 32 Koshik Apr 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 am

    abey indians
    17 movement chel rahi hen india me aleg honay ki
    20 hundred thousand indians bhokay sotey hen roz
    religion ka jitna punga india men hay utna kisi country men nhi hay
    her 10 miles key bad new religion hay india men
    sirf baten tum logon ki bari bari hen
    pakistan jesay chotey say country nay tum logon kay tatton per paaon rekha howa hay or tum log kuch ker nhi sekay 60 salon men
    or muslims to door ki bat hay tum log to apnay hindo brothers ko nhi chortey
    pakistan to choro apni fiker kero apni phati pari hay or dosron ko dawa dey rahay ho sham on u

  33. 33 Anjali_9024 Apr 3rd, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    Hello Mr Koshik,

    God knows in which world you live in. I agree that india has lot of religions but dont muslims fight. You guys call yourself muslims and hate each other Shia and Sunni. Dont you guys have that in you.
    IF 2o hundred thousand are bhokay thats coz we dont get free food and money from USA
    Hamari baten bari bari hai aur tumhari kya?
    Pak has occupied our land from years SO very true and thats what u guys do dick heads.
    Shame on you dick head India is doing much better then you.
    I remember once when buying a house in USA my agent was paki and the guy who came to inspect my house was white he said one thing.
    When u look at an indian you dont have to ask what u do either you are a doctor or a engineer. He looked at my agent and said and what about you guys you are famous for Roofing. Thats the F@@@ING famous you guys are. GET A BETTER LIFE BY HELPING USA and GETTING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THEM

  34. 34 Reddy Apr 3rd, 2007 at 1:46 pm

    Koshik… or what ever your name be..

    May be you dont know much about india …. or may be you are feeling jealous on its grwth.. but one thing is for sure .. you got pissed off from your life.. better go on streets and say the same what you have pasted here.. you dont hold guts to reveal your name … not your identity….!!! you are a coward!!!.

    Go to any country in the world and ask about india (except pakistan) you can nclude your own community countries also.. they will tell you.

    AND DO THE SAME FOR PASKISTAN …YOU WILL COME TO KNOW WHERE YOU LAND.

    My good wishes are allways with you may the almighty bless you with some god gyan to lead a tension free and a non complex life.

    “sare jahan se achha hindustan hamara”

  35. 35 rauf mohammed abdul Apr 3rd, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    friends lets not throw the words on each other i completely agree with Mr reddy, thats right if u ask in any country about india (except pak)people say thats a good country with intellectuals and hard working men.

    ‘WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF BEING INDIANS’

    BOLO ZOORSE BHARAT MAATA KI JAY.
    JAIHIND.

  36. 36 Koshik Apr 3rd, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    aaeeyyyy G men agg leg gaiee such sun ker
    bus wohi bat kay baten bari bari indians ki

  37. 37 sam Apr 4th, 2007 at 7:23 am

    hello.i am an indian too…i dont fel the need to mention my religion b’coz i come from a democratic country.i agree with hypocrisy is a sin’s comments…lets be rational and not emotional.pinky and mentor are both the latter…i really feel rahter than looking at these silly ,baseless issues we should actually ,collectively concntrate on unemployment,illeteracy ,power cuts,roads and make india a developed country.discussing religion would never give us development but only fights,arguments and fanatism.please grow up fellow indians.make our country a safe and proud nation– not just in words but in reality too.

  38. 38 Srikanth Apr 4th, 2007 at 11:02 am

    Hello Koshik..

    your names sounds like an indian name.. if you are an india and talking like this, shame on you and shame on the people around you, who is not taking care of your brain to think like this, i think you are baseless.. jobless. and brainless.. and there is a word for your only “idel mans mind is devils work place”..

    if you are from pakistan.. then i dont want to comment anything about you.. atz all left to god.. every one who has brain between his two ears knows what is happening and what is going to happen with pakistan…

  39. 39 pinky Apr 4th, 2007 at 5:32 pm

    @ hypocrisy is a sin

    do u think i am a fool…i know u r the same mentor,proud 2 be a muslim and wat not,,i wud;nt have cared if u did not support me,but when u supported mentor that clearly reveals u r the same man,,,he was against democracy…and u r supporting him,,well man i dont agree wid that,,,he wants the same pak goin on the rules of terrorism,,uhhhh in the end u concluded wid peace….and if u;ve read my comments….i was sayin the same things…jus go and have a look….i stressed abt humanity and peace instead of religion….plz read my comments well…i cant type the same thing over and over again,,,

    @ sam

    well sam i hardly think abt religion and stuff on daily basis…but if u saw mentor;s comments any indian wud have replied that way,,,even i too stressed mentor to stop talkin abt religion and asked him to talk abt these stupid madrassaas…well u said us to talk abt current indian issues rather than religion…..and i can make it clear 4 u that dont religion have bad effects on us…jus see sum countries who r killing others in the name of religion,these wars,and the recent bombay blasts…..religion is a major issue…..but still i did not stress on dis issue on the whole………plzzzzz i cant rite the same thing i;m exhausted by now

    @ srikanth

    koshik is a paki ….these people r not even honest posting the comments…..and dont worry abt dem….there is one paki guy here who is sayin the same shit wid diff names

    PAKI WE R NOT FOOLS HERE TRY TO BE HONEST ATLEAST POSTING UR COMMENTS……DONT BE DEAD CHEATERS LIKE UR COUNTRY

  40. 40 Koshik Apr 4th, 2007 at 5:39 pm

    abey o bager sri key kanth
    to kider ghus raha hay english sekh pehlay theek say
    tujhay bi pakistan ki bari fiker hay
    saly india ki fiker ker

  41. 41 media.desi Apr 4th, 2007 at 6:25 pm

    Comments are closed as of now as the discussion has been sidetracked.

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