For Umar and Priyanka, a couple from Bhopal who wanted to get married despite being from different religions, the journey towards nuptial turned out to be a topsy-turvy ride.
With Hindu groups like RSS and the Bajrang Dal staunchly opposed to the idea of the couple getting married and threatening them with dire consequences, Umar and Priyanka had to flee to Mumbai to register a court marriage. Finally High Court issued protection for couple.
Now the Couple wants some answers.
- Why were they intimidated ?
- Why a registered marriage was not accepted by police ?
- Why the statement by a major is not honored by police ?
If we as citizens cannot take our personal decisions what constitutes a democracy? How can we allow religions groups like RSS, Bajrangdal to decide our fate?
Watch this video guys and decide yourselves
Source: CNN IBN
This is outrageous- shows how much of a “secular democratic” country India is. I don’t know if mass opposition, to the extent of this case, to inter-religion marriages is common in many places in India. I guess it only possible in places where there is a strong hold of fundamentalist groups on a society. Now I am thinking of places in India where it is otherwise!!(?)
Thanks for the post.
What is the problem with politicians if two people want to get married. There are enough problems in making a normal marriage work. So when two people coming from different religions want to take up that challenge and prove that marriage is merely a union of hearts, why wont the country let them? this is really disgusting. Wish Umer and Priyanka a happy married life, and hope they get some answers
what’s wrong with RSS and Bajarang Dal.
We Indians are already pained with Minority,Majority,SC,ST,OBC. Religions and casts are part of the Govt policies and even Indian constitution.
First let the Govt(all pseudo secularists) treat every citizen in a same way and try to support only economically backward. After that these issues will be automatically resolved. Why to blame only RSS and Bajarang Dal.
By the way, Will the kids of Umesh and Priyanka will become Minority or Majority?
Anyway, I wish Umesh and Priyanka happy marriaed life.
Let me first correct the course of discussion here. This is not just like any other Bollywood fairytale, as the channel so sarcastically puts it.
The issue is about injustice meted out to Hindu women in cases where they are married to Muslim men (willfully though) and have no means to get justice whenever the husband decides to divorce and marry another woman.
Example: A Muslim boy falls in love with a Hindu girl. They decide to get married. Then,
1. She has to convert to Islam, else the marriage becomes void.
2. If he decides to divorce her for XYZ reasons, then under Muslim Personal Law, all that he has to say is ‘Talaq…Talaq…Talaq’ during the course of one year and the clergy declares the marriage null & void.
3. The boy need not pay alimony or take care of his kids (if any) and happily marry as many times as he wishes.
4. This leaves the poor converted girl penniless (as we know most of the Muslim women are not encouraged to be self-reliant and live only at the mercy of their husbands).
5. And no judiciary under the sun can come to her rescue and provide with any kind of financial support through him.
Basically, the prevailing civil law in India is lopsided favoring one particular community to have an upper-hand over others, which will eventually lead to exploitation.
In this particular incident, the couple is young and naïve. During the course of married life, if the boy succumbs his parental or societal pressures and decides to convert back to Islam, where does this leave the girl?
Option 1: She needs to convert to Islam OR
Option 2: Divorce him.
If the guy wants to marry another woman, he can take refuge by converting back to Islam, which leaves the girl to accept polygamy (perhaps unwillingly!) or be penniless.
This is not a hypothetical situation, because there are many such Hindu women who have converted into Islam (obviously falling in love with Islamic boy!) and are forced into begging, prostitution, etc just to meet their basic needs and feed their young children. No court of law in India could help these hapless and deprived women.
I Wish this marriage do not turn into another “Escape from Taliban” issue.
Good luck to Priyanka.
Mr/Ms “K”, “Jhanvi”, “Indian”,
You guys just shut the f*** up. The RSS and etc. are very much right in this specific case where there is this guy Umar or Umer who belongs to a non-inclusive, fundamental and fanatical religion that teaches and preaches to grab/snatch women of other faith (be it by love, force, or otherwise) and convert them into muslim. Why is it that they do not allow their women to marry men from other religion? When you do not allow inter-faith marriage for your women then why is it that you should seek to marry women from other faith??
It is the “secularists” and the dirty “politicians” who slaughter the lives of majority and non-muslim minority faiths in this country for the sake of muslim appeasement (I wont call that ‘minority’ appeasement because IT IS ‘muslim’ appeasement).
In principle, I do completely endorse and strongly encourage for all kinds of inter-faith / inter-caste relations and marriages but then ofcoz am as vehemently opposed to muslim guys trying to have relations with women of other faith because for them its not “pure” love but its another means to force other women to convert to their faith. Dare not have any illusions on this. Proof: As soon as Umar or any from his faith gets to marry a girl from a different faith, the girl will be forced to become a muslim so she can give birth to muslim children only.
@Crusader,
whatever you are telling is true. But please use good language to have a healthy debate.
@Maya,
Good depiction of the facts.
Hope all the people realize the reality.
Dudes !!! Here the point is how much freedom you have in a largest democracy in the world. This is not about religions. I truly believe that everyone should have their own choice of taking their own decision. Why the hell RSS or Bajrangdal or even any other Muslim organization should interfere in these matters. These are pertained to their own lives and they are not kids. We are not in a 18th or 19th Century. Look at the face of the other developed nations and their people, how much freedom they have in taking their own decisions. Be considerate of others and don’t act like some stupid morons.
What the fuck! RSS and bajarangdal shouldn’t involve in personal matters of the individual people. Tell them to teach lessons to their sisters and daughters. For god sake don’t make issue of normal people’s life. I am also a Hindu. Who gave rights to Govt of MP and their wings to comment or ridicule people’s own decisions. These people are not their parents or guardians. So what the fuck happened to them. Madhya pradesh government should warn these groups to be calm and tell them to do something should be constructive which will be helpful for future generations.
Hi Maya,
Ur explanation is really great and accurate.
Hello “pieceofmymind”, even after reading the Maya’s analysis, it seems u r not understanding the facts and simply saying that why these RSS and Bajarangdal are involving? so sad of U. It may be related to their own lives…but she is a HINDU girl who will suffer after some time in the future.
The people like u only given the chance to other region people to invade in India. We lost our lives because of lack of unity.
By speaking something nonsense, u r making urself fool. I’ve pity on u…
Do u agree if ur daughter will marry another region guy where in that region 90% the cases are happening like MAYA said. How can u have a faith on that guy and make ur girl scapegoat.
please think twice…I’m not opposing love marriages…but there should be 100% understanding…
I request u to read MAYA statements once more and think.
God bless U.
If you keep interfering in the personal lives of grown ups, Then it is clear that you have to grow up.
Dear fundamentalist organizations or those with such mindset,
We beg you to stop interfering in other people’s lives and passing on your judgements for seeking your popularity and power.
It is inhumane to devide among humans. They will be appreciated and remembered for ages to come, not for their attempts to separate but for the attempts to bring all together as one human race.
Let Love prevail the Hatred.
Those in interreligious love do not bother to know or follow the religion to its strictest core. Referring back to such stupid rules of religion, is not a healthy way to encourage the best religion of life. i.e..Love.
Love has always prevailed the Hatred. It is just that in this case it is politicised.
People should realise that Akbar came to India with sword on one hand and kuran in another hand and started destroying all the temples and universities and started converting Hindus. Now you cant do that( ofcourse its beeing still practice in few states) … but the chalenge for muslim and christain to increase their number is by Conversion(christains do that), by having more kids(muslims with 10 per family), and marrying hindu girls( both muslim and christain do that)… Now when their is objection to this by organisations like RSS or Bajrang dal people start making big news against RSS … First think whts the cause and who is doing it and for what reason ( to increase their strength)… dont just go on blaming RSS and Bajrang dal… They are good organisation and dedicated for national interest and thinking…
People should realise that when a person in your family is victimised and converted to other community u will feel the pain and definetly u guys will run to RSS for help .. this is for sure .. not now but later u all will come to RSS …
Knowledge comes from education and experience.
Fame comes from achievements and through excellence in performance.
Different Cultures, their adaptability and openness comes through Travel and social embracement.
Whatever you do, wherever you go, How much ever you acheive…
WISDOM only come from those hardcore Fundamentalists and their Demonstrations/dictats out on street ????
Raja Ram Mohan Roy who condemned Sati was a social and religious reformer, not a national interest guardian.
Dr. BR Amdebkar who fought against stupid Untouchability was a social and religious reformer, not a national interest guardian
Atleast after being in different parts of world. Getting education, attaining Degrees, mingling with so many religous customs and people we need to open up. Our thoughts need to be towards social and religious reformation. We need to understand that we all are same. And the divisions were done and will be done only by those people who want to rule and claim supremacy.
Caste was once an issue… Not anymore.
Religion will follow the same path.
Ofcourse, it will take time for people to be able to look back and realize how ignorant and foolish our arguments were at the core though the knowledge beautified us with superficially.
when true love happens between 2 hearts , it just happens.Love doesn’t seek reasons.
If a boy (lets not be religious specific) marries outside his religion just just for the purpose of increasing his community’s numbers then it isn’t called love in the first place.
The girl is being fooled.This definitely sounds very barbaric and of course there are people who fall so low.These people definitely need to be punished.
But we can’t attribute this scenario to every couple.
Forget about RSS or any religious organisations nothing can stand against true love .It would be equally tough for both Umer and Priyanka.Lets wish them all the good luck
Maya’s analysis hits right on the nail’s head. She is more articulate than that BJP idealogue in the video who was wavering through out and at times giving an impression that RSS, Bhajrang Dal are Hindu Talibans, which they are not.
As usual, we see foreign educated, JNU afiliated leftist retards (biggest sucker being Romila Thapar) never losing oppurtunity to bash any thing related to hinduism and never stop in portraying hindus as worst oppressors the world has ever seen, at the same time licking the asses of their chinese and islamic masters.
I am not surprised, if, within JNU there are islamic extremists hatching plans to carryout next wave to islamization of predominantly hindu india in connivance with the leftist commies.
Please do not consider that i digressed from the issue at hand, as this one is just one of the issues(one way street in inter-religious marriages) among many that 1% of the leftist terrorists never want to raise to please their masters.
I liked, Maya’s, Vivek’s comments. They make some sense to this topic.
Guys, Do not encourage inter religion marriages openly, Please do not neglect our culture and religion. Please highlight a couple with Muslim girl and Hindu Boy’s marriage and see the fun from Muslims.
Please do not criticize/scold RSS and Bagarang Dal. They are the only groups which support Hindu’s rights.
Otherwise, with our Pseudo secular govt will say reservations to Muslims, Muslims have first right on the resources of the nation etc
Shame on Hindus can not construct a temple at Ram Janma bhumi. People are making mess when BJP demolishes BABAR(invader)’s masque on RAM janma bhumi.
I apologize from deviating from the topic.
My dear Indian Citizens, Muslim population is multiplying, soon we Hindus turn a minority in our own country. Then we(Hindus) see the fate of Kashmir pundits in Kashmir. Please try to understand…
Muslims are united but we Hindus are not…
Hey Priyanka, Don’t you find any Hindu boy in India. Do you ever think of your parents in society. Shameless girl ….
Why ‘ re you guys making such a big issue of something, which is very commman in India.I have seen many Muslims men who are married to Hindus women. Take the example of Bollywood. How many muslims actor have Hindus wives, where were the RSS and Bajrang Dal then. This is all politics, they make news of something which not new.
This is a very shameful act committed by a person who considered himself a Muslim. Islam never allows to marrry a non-muslim. If a Muslim marry a Hindu he/she is not counted as a Muslim.
hello..i am saddened to read so much hatred in all the above lines..agreed inter-religion marriages are no good -not for the community but for the couple and their future family..the kids are misdirected and confused as to which religion to follow and what values to inherit.to take such matters to such a height as to how bad islam is so wrong.i am a muslim and when i read these things it pains me coz i think of myself as an indian before anything else..i have been to pakistan too and i disliked that country for all its bigotry.i defended my india whenever there was any argument.now it seems after reading all this that i am not accepted in my own country by my own fellow citizens!i just want to tell all the above people “please dont judge all muslims under the same cover.just like each soceity has its share of good and bad people,so are some muslims good some bad.their main problem is lack of education.but please dont hate me for my religion.coz i dont!”
@RJ
I agree that they are lot of muslim who married hindu girls in bollywod but after marriage they converted them into Islam which is wrong. If you love someone truly why care about religion.
Celebrities who converted their wifes into ISLAM
1) Patuadi converted sharmila tagore
2) His son saif ali khan converted amrita singh and now dumped her for some other chick and left her on her own
3) Amir khan converted reema into islam and same left her for a younger hindu girl
4) Azzaruddin converted sangeeta bijalni into Islam after marriage.
They marry hindu girls and convert them into islam.If educated muslims can do this then think about uneducated muslims who would be willing to do anything for their religion.
There is nothing wrong in love or intercaste marriages as long as they have respect for each other’s religion and not convert them into their own religion after marriage.
hi i wud like to tell u that islam is religion of piece,some one said that umer is muslim and according to islamic laws he can divorce his wife this is true but talaaq is the most un liked thing in islam.the second thing is that he is allowed to have four wives in a same time.but who said that then he ll not be responsible for his first wife and kids….he is responsible for every thing…before saying any thing i ll suggest every one to study islam.becoz islam is religion of piece and equality.islam gave rights to men and women.may umer and priyanka live a happy life.and may allah show every one the right path.aameen
Sameera why re you bringing Pakistan in this. This is the issue of India and Indian Muslims. So please stay in that limit.
yes sameers ji,i being a paki request u not to say any thing wrong about pakistan.coz the issue is between a muslim guy and hindu girl and both r indians.
Specific to this incident again, apparently the father has disowned his son & daughter-in-law just because the boy converted to Hindu religion. He had absolutely no objection in accepting two other Hindu women who were converted to Islam as his daughters-in-law.
More from this link -
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Hindu-Muslim_love_gets_HCs_blessing/articleshow/1895094.cms
Look at the irony! Its all one-way street in inter-religious marriages!!!
The list of celebrities listed above also proves the same.
@Maya
I liked the news, but hey I thought the girl converted to Islam and looks like that’s not the case here..
I don’t know how a person leaves a religion like Islam after experiencing the true beauty of it. Seriously guys i wonder after so much media/politics trying so hard to portray the Islam as ‘violent’ religion… I wonder how its growing so fast. Every other day someone or other comes to mosques and convert to Islam. People who don’t even dream of thinking of converting to Islam feel so happy that they actually did..
Now to your question on how the divorce is explained in the Holy book of Islam, as its a complex topic I kindly ask you to refer to the link below….and study with a open heart.
http://www.submission.org/women/divorce.html
Islam always tries to save the marriage not break it… thats why the divorce rate is so low.
Jo bhi Ma*** c*** is shadi ka favor kar raha hai kayar bhadwa hai???? madarchodo apni maa bahan Musalmano ko dete rahe aur bidwan bante raho. Pakistan me 20% hindu se 1.6 % hindu ho gaya tab tumlog kahan they. TUMHAI HIJDAPAN EK DIN TUMHARE AANT KA KARAN BANEGA?? RSS and BAJRANGDAL ko gaali mat do wahi tumhara gand bacha raha hai nahi to tumhari gand mara jayegi
Status of hindu women in society..
The laws and rights of marriage and divorce (if at all) are undefined or varied for the Hindu Woman leaving her with none or very little advantage.
The same applies for property or inheritance rights. Males make and absorb all claims.
Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending bridegroom/family.
The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the bridegroom/family.
If her husband dies she loses value in the family/society. Sati (being cremated with her dead husband) is a possible exit/recommendation. Since today’s law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes her in other “holy” ways (see below).
Remarriage is a big problem.
The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in public. She cannot wear jewelry or colourful clothes. (She may not even take part in her children’s marriage!)
Child and infant marriage is encouraged.
A woman is brought up to believe that she must look upon her husband as a god (Pati Parmeshwar).
@SP
So you want to divert the topic.
Do you want to attribute all the above list to Hinduism?
If so you are wrong. Bad men in any religion will try to dominate the women and harass them.
Womens rights are violated everywhere in the world. Even in the so called super developed nation USA, there are crimes against women.
Your point is Muslim women are 100% happy and have 100% freedom?
Everyone in the world knows answer to this question. They also know who is behind all the trouble all over the world.
Please do not try to divert the topic.
@Sameera, @Muslim,
I know true Muslims are very good. But the problem is with the bad guys, if they are bad, then they are very bad to the core. This what the people form other communities are worried about.
If you are true muslim and good then you are true Indian. If you think Hindus are haters of people from other religion then other religions wouldn’t have flourished in India in the past 1000 years.
Please try to understand the feelings of Hindus.
By looking at the fate of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh, they are bound to feel insecure.
Just answer one question, why the population of Hindus is going down in Muslim majority nation?
I am sorry, you people forced me to divert the attention.
In the above case and discussion,
I find both muslims and hindus in india treat women to be their property, and object of pride(izath) , so women should not have freedom or right in marrying. Which is wrong bcoz its a personal choice of a man/women as to whom they marry.
1.Yes question being raised, why muslim men only marry after converting women to Islam. bcoz Islam allow marrying women who believe in one God(ex : muslim,jews,christians).
but hindu believe in many gods-rama,krishna,shiva……… Ussually lovers are least bothered of religion/conversion their primary concern is marrying at any cost.so people get converted as in this case of Umer - Umesh from islam to hinduism.
2. people rarely convert to hinduism , why ? Bcoz of the reason is inequality in the social structure in caste/ other things. if i become hindu what would i become a brahmin, vyshya, OBC, god knows but what i know is that i will be least accepted in most of them . wherein christians and muslims absorb converts more easily.
3. abt talaq , there is some thing called mehar, which a bridegroom needs to pay to bride b4 talaq. so make it high if the girl is not sure of her spouse. and even girl know of talaq and whatever they decide they decide knowing the facts of islamic law. second marriage is as rare in muslim as in hindus in india statistics clear speak abt this. so thats not a big issue.
3. If people want convert to hinduism, christianity , islam let them convert bcoz any of these religion doesnot become endangered due to a conversion of few lover who are least religious. Demanding to change islam is foolish bcoz though it is a flexible and easy religion it has its own form and no one has the right to disfigure it by making foolish amendments.
@MAYA
Thank you for sharing this article. I hope indian hindu’s will open their eyes and see whats going on. This is so unfair convert hindu girls to Islam but wont accept son as hindu.
Why cant indian girls find god hindu boys. I dont get it these muslim boys trap our hindu girls and then convert them. they truly never loved them in my opinion its just a mere business transaction thats going on in this pathan house.
funny
muslims are increasing there population. thats why they hardly form 15-16.5% of population.
In fact the hindus masses who aborted more than 10 millions( 1 Crore) girls is past 2 decades(Source:BBC Surveys, UNICEF reports) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4592890.stm ) are the reasons for any decrease in hindu population.
the male-female ratio is healthy in indian muslims unlike hindus where a clear crisis is seen in haryana,punjab,rajasthan and other northern states. even hindu educated couples from uk ,usa have their share in this crime as they come to india for abortions.
Go and Scan thru statistics muslims now rarely do second marriage. i am a muslim i have never seen a muslim man with two wives in my relatives/neighbors. but i had a hindu neighbor who had two wives and second wife was a christian leaving alone looked down by hindus as she is illegal as per hinduism.
Mentor,
No wonder why u say their is no 2nd marriages in muslims. NOT TRUE, my college friend father marriaged a second women muslim they use to live in a one bedroom apt with the other wife as well. all 6 members.
She waited till he got his retirement money took it and fled to dubai.
There are lot of muslims who do second marriages and also have illegal affairs.I am not saying that hindu’s dont do it but muslims do it to.
And when it comes to kids, Muslims first preference is a baby boy. So go and show your stats some place else.
Maya thanks for the nice article, but please don’t mention something which you don’t know. IN the below lines whatever you said about Islam is not true.
Maya wrote:
2. If he decides to divorce her for XYZ reasons, then under Muslim Personal Law, all that he has to say is ‘Talaq…Talaq…Talaq’ during the course of one year and the clergy declares the marriage null & void.
3. The boy need not pay alimony or take care of his kids (if any) and happily marry as many times as he wishes.
This husband is resposible for:
Right to Inheritance in Islam:
Another right of the Muslim woman which is a part of Islamic law is the right to inherit property. The method of division of inheritance is clearly laid down in the Qur’an and the general rule is that man gets double. This may if taken in isolation from other legislation appear to be unfair; however, it must be remembered that in accordance with the verse of the Qur’an quoted earlier, men are charged with the maintenance of all the women and children in their family, and therefore their necessary obligations of expenditure are far higher than those of women. The half-share that a woman inherits may therefore be considered a generous one since it is for herself alone. Any such money or property which a woman owns or any business which she runs is entirely her own and her husband has no right to any of it.
mentor,
First of all Hinduism is not a religion, it is a way of life.
Hindus do not have many gods. It is one god for all religions. Hindus have given different forms to god. Other religions did not give any form.
You have done a good attempt to cover up the reason behind decrease in Hindu population.
Islamic terrorists have driven out 400,000 Kashmiri Pandits from Kashmir. These people are still languishing in the refugee camps in and out of Delhi for the past 16 years. So, this is not a good reason for the reduction of Hindu population in the case of Jammu and Kashmir state. what is your answer for this?
Do not give some vague reasons.
Here are the actual facts. You seem to like the statistics a lot. Here are the statistics
Before the advent of Islam, Afghanistan was a Buddhist nation. To safeguard their ancestral religion and beliefs, the brave people of Afghanistan confronted the brutal Islamic invaders for 300 years but finally were defeated and, then, Islamized. After converting to Islam, the same non-violent Buddhists eventually turned into the Talibans of today. They took to terrorism and even destroyed the centuries old priceless statues of Bamyan Buddhas. In 1990, these fanatics forcibly drove out or converted the 50,000 Hindu-Sikh minority population of Afghanistan.
Mr. M.A. Khan of Islamic Watch, said: “Eleventh century saw the barbaric assault of Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni on India. Mahmud’s army slaughtered 15,000 fighting men in what they described as the ’splendid action’ before capturing 500,000 men and women as slaves. The barbarity and cruelty of Sultan Mahmud was proudly and vividly described by contemporary Muslim historians. In the attack on Thanesar, ‘the blood of the infidels flowed so copiously that the stream was discolored and the people were unable to drink it’. Mahmud attacked and destroyed the famed Somnath temple in the Western India and massacred over 50,000 Hindus guarding the temple.
Sultan Allauddin Khaliji (1296-1316) attacked Chittor in the present Rajasthan State and killed 30,000 people in cold blood. No wonder that 50,000 slave boys were engaged in his personal services and 70,000 slaves worked continuously in his buildings. Firoz Tughlaq, who ascended the throne in 1351, killed another 180,000 Hindus in Bengal and erected the infamous ‘ Tower of Skulls.’
“As recently as 1946, the Muslims slaughtered more than 5,000 Hindus in Kolkata in one day alone and threatened Hindus at large that this action would be repeated in all the major Indian cities if Hindus refused to the partitioning of India; this ultimately was agreed upon. In 1947, India was divided into the Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan. Hindus mistakenly believed that by agreeing to the separate Muslim Pakistan their problems with the Islam would be over.
“But in Pakistan, the worst reign of repression awaited the minority Hindus. Millions of them were uprooted, butchered and slaughtered like chicken and goats. Hundred of thousands of Hindu girls were kidnapped. Their chastity violated, they were raped and forcibly married to Muslims.
“Muslims ethnically cleansed the entire Hindu-Sikh population from Pakistan, the land they got from partitioning of the historic India. They systematically used all official machinery and resources to reduce the Hindu population to merely 2% from its earlier 20% in 1947.
“Bangladesh is another perfect example of the ethnic cleansing. Its population of Hindu-Buddhists-Christians was about 39% in 1947. During the 1971 India-Pakistan war, Hindus were the prime target of genocide and gang rape by Islamic Pakistani army. In a period of nine months, three million people were mercilessly murdered by Pakistan army, of which more than 80% were Hindus. From then on, the covert and overt assault on Hindus continued relentlessly. Three hundred thousand girls were raped, out of which 95% were Hindu girls. Over ten million Hindu refugees took shelter in India.
“The slaughter of Hindus in subcontinent continued and the world remained unperturbed. In 1990, more than 400,000 Hindus were forcibly driven from the Indian controlled Jammu and Kashmir region by the Jihadists that were militarily trained and funded by Pakistan’s intelligence agency, ISI (Inter Services Intelligence).”
Srinivas you have divert the topic from religions issue to more of a politcal issue. Now that you mentioned that how Hindus are treated in Muslim countries, let me tell you that Hindus got the same rights that a Muslim or any other religion beleiver have. You forgot to mention what happend to our Muslim borthers in Gujarat. They were humiliated and abused by the Hindus and even the government was involved. Here what a senior South Asian Reseacher for Human Rights have to say, ” What happened in Gujarat was not a spontaneous uprising, it was a carefully orchestrated attack against Muslims. The attacks were planned in advance and organized with extensive participation of the police and state government officials ” This is just one accident I can give you several of them.
RJ,
Even Hindus got killed in the Gujarat riots.
What is the reason behind Gujarat Incidents?
If you talk of Gujarat then you should start with Godhra incident. The human rights, the pseudo secularists talk about Gujarat incidents, they will not mention about the Godhra at all.
If Gujarat government was involved in the incidents, in the centre psuedo secularist power was there. Why they did not dissolve the Gujarat government?
People from other races have inflicted heavy casualties on the native Indians. Native Indians are being provoked time and again in different forms possible.
mentor,
For your question
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2. People rarely convert to hinduism , why ? Bcoz of the reason is inequality in the social structure in caste/ other things. if i become hindu what would i become a brahmin, vyshya, OBC, god knows but what i know is that i will be least accepted in most of them . wherein christians and muslims absorb converts more easily.
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Here is the answer
You are welcome to become a Hindu. Choice is yours. you can be a Brahmin or a Vysya or kshatrya or shudhra. Read the holy Hindu scriptures you get the answer.
So you think there are no problems in converting to Islam? If a person converts to Islam, what would he be, A SUNNI or a SHIA or …?
Just with 2 or 3 sects in ISLAM. Muslims cannot live in peace.
According to the 2001 census
80.2% - hindus
13% - muslims
less than 7% - other
then to vhp , bajrang dal and there political wing bjp cry foul on one or two conversions. muslims scholars have always denounced any inter-religious love affair whether it be this current case or any past one. and here you the so called true hindus should be happy bcoz this muslim has become muslim whom you dont want to accept one among you.
this is what makes hindus to flew to buddhism in maharashtra, and many to even sikhism in rajasthan and haryana. and many other to christianity.
its not a good act(punya) in islam to marry non muslims girl . infact islam prohibits it. but love is ignorant of these restrictions in hindu/muslim societies. infact many muslim who take up nonmuslim wife are almost irreligious. azhar never married sageetha bijlaani i a islamic way nor did she convert. patudi never convert shermila tagore or amritha singh to islam . if the were converted what were their muslim names which no one ever heard.
so who misused islam -hindus- who only converted for marrying -
ex : dharmendra and hema maalini both hindus converted islam to marry second time in case of dharmendra . which illegal and misuse of islam.
farukh abdulla’s daughter married to rajesh poilet’s son and he never become muslim and his wife could be seen at hindu ritual. bengali muslims women have bindi and even sindhur which is not islamic. most indian muslim women where saree which is purely a hindu dress. in fact most of the ritual in muslim wedding in india are almost the same as rajput hindu wedding and farely different from arab weddings. so muslims have accepted many hindu customs. But hindus facist forces want them to become hindu that to of secondary class slaves.
who are these true hindus-
1. who when come to usa eat even beaf . while for eating which they were ready kill muslims india.
2. bajrang activist who raped muslim girls in gujrath.
3. bajrang dal activist who kill social workers like graham stains and rape innocent nuns in bihar,kerala,…
4. leaders who give hate speeches with all false statistics and baseless selfcreated historic event.
5. take dowry/ abort girls in fear of dowry
i have tried to answer many people in previous responses
but some of my hindu brother& sister mislead by media
go to say no peace with islam.
question why .
was there peace in india while britisher were in india? NO
see muslim countries.
1.saudi arabia- big american army base to threaten arabs. and ruled by dummies installed by west after 2nd world war.
2. same with egypt,jordan,syria,algeria,………. no elected government all dictators who have full support of west.
3. west supports democracy but not i case of muslim nations west threw democracy in algeria and iran and supported dictators before.
4. created all of sudden a new country israel occupying muslim’s holy lands. 6-7 million muslim live as refugess in other countries . wherein every jew is a citizen of israel i dont how. and poor palastine people live miserable life without land, schools, airport, university waiting for death by a israel bullet. so what would they do accept sucide bombing when their houses a razed everyday.
5. afghanisthan - play ground for russian and american forces since decades.
6. bosnia- thousand buried alive-2nd biggest massacre in europe after hallocuast. women raped in a planned way by serb armies.
7. checheniya ask for freedom- so they are terrorist no UN help. east timor(christians) only want to be free independant from indonesia(muslims) no problems UN sends big huge force partitions indonesia.
8. innocent muslims die - news alleged , suspected terrorrist killed.
9. muslims never insult jesus(pbuh) infact they respect him but the west is always keen to humiliate mohammed(pbuh)
how could one expect peace in return of these cruel policies. so backlash. only gun shots in response of cruise missiles, carpet bombing
muslims in malaysia,maldives, bruneo, and countries free from direct/indirect occupation are peaceful.
muslims too want to live peacefully-no one likes to die or kill. they want to live happily with families in their lands freely.
@MENTOR,
What you are saying is wrong you said that azhar never married sangeeta. Wrong, he did marry her and converted her and he also left his muslim first wife for her.
Patuadi didnot convert sharmila is wrong she is muslim now. Her kids saif ali khan and soha ali khan both were brought up as muslims.Amrita singh was married to saif in muslim customs she had a NIKAAH and she converted her self to islam her kids are also muslims.
The only person who didnot convert his wife to Islam is shahrukh khan he let his wife follow her own religion. Gave preaching of both religions to their kids.
So, if you love someone you dont convert them in your religions you respect eachother’s religions.THATS WHAT LOVE IS ALL ABOUT.
anjali,
your are right about shahrukh , he himself tells that he is a born muslim brought up hindu.
now let me tell some thing you might not have thought of
- salman’s mother was hindu-sushila(maharashtran brahmin)- now dead
- his second mother is helen still a christian.
-his borther’s sohail married a hindu & and arbaaz married amritha arora in a church.
- his sister married atul agnihothri a hindu in a hindu way.
-he also has another adopted sister who is a hindu - arpitha
now come to amir khan he did not convert his wife to islam his wives names are
reena & kiran not muslim names any way
and wedding at court not a islamic way.
now come to farooq abdulla-former cm of J&K
son married to a sikh payal no converison
daughter married to sachin pilot hindu- in hindu style
another daughter married african black christian.
so does islam encourage them to do this stuff . not at all . did scholars support there wedding or divorces no its there person choise.
and regarding divorce- Islam says” though permissible in Islam, its most unliked act by Allah”.
one of my relative married a brahmin . he never comes to mosque though i have seen him at ramakrishna math. his son’s name gopi something. daugter too has a hindu name.
my friend a muslim has his cousins abhilash and anvesha thier mother was a muslim girl. did muslim leader give the hindu guy death threats as bajrang dal ? no
so let people live there lives with privacy and in peace.
Mentor,
You are not trying to keep a healthy debate. Your description of a true Hindu reflects this. Your description will anger even a secular Hindu and even good Muslims.
You have criticised the Hinduism, attributed all the social evils to the Hinduism.
Tried to humiliate the Hinduism by saying if I convert to Hinduism what will I become…..
I am not expecting these from a true Muslim.
I accept that some of the world issues that you have pointed above are the creation of the west.
What is your answer to the violent sectarian violence between Sunni and Shia in Iraq. None in the world from the same community have fought so violently? Where is the peace in this case?
News emanating from Pakistan is also no good.
There are growing feuds among different group.
It is irony to see that people hailing from the so called peacful community will become so violent for their vested intrests.
Try to respect other religions as you respect yours.
I respect Quran, Bible and other religious books. This is the practice of a true Hindu.
Do not try to attribute the acts of anti social elements to the Hinduism.
Sri Krishna deva raya went one step ahead and even built a Mosque for the Muslim travellers.
mentor…will u plz stop this.its evident u r a pakistani,knowing nothing or little of whats actually in india.i am a muslim too…i never will endorse ur views.true there have been grave injustices against muslims in many parts of the world but trust me they have also not been above reproach.i would suggest that u tell ur silly fanatics to educate themselves n grow up.and yes plz leave us Allah fearing true indian muslims in peace!!!!n to the rest of the ppl i really request dont judge all muslims by listening to the views of a few fanatics.
i am a proud indian born in india by allah’s grace
iam currently in usa for studies but i visit india every year.
i save money to visit india not to buy car/ipod/laptop
which i dont have. i would not have come here if i got a job in india.
i miss india every day.
i hate most pakistanis and people who created it .
pakistanis are far from being islamic. they could be just described as bunch of traditionalist/fools who have mostly nothing to do with islam.
i have alway had more hindu friends than muslims.
i love telugu
infact i have mentioned telugu as my native language including in ds-forms at consulate
i am under a apartment lease with a hindu
i dont hate any one bcoz
i am a muslim bcoz i was born a muslim
anjali is a hindu bcoz she was born a hindu
its the case with most of us. so why hate some one for something over which he/she has no control.
yes if some one studies/find a religion suiting him more let him convert its his personal choice.
never ever call me a anti-indian its a the most harsh thing for me to hear . even bad than the foul talk some mental frustrated loser were using in the comments.
Allah has blessed me, and made india my birth place.
please every one,respect all religions,i learnt from my religion that we shud respect all religions than why r u guys fighting…..may God show every one right direction….
Please also respect all other countries.
Please mentor don’t hate all Pakistanis they are our Muslim brothers.
Hating someone bcoz he is muslim, hindu , pakistani, indian, …… . bcoz most of the time we dont choose these thing . we are mostly born with such identities. yes
saying that some one is wrong in doing some act is right but saying that he is complete wrong too is not correct always.
Hating someone bcoz he is muslim, hindu , pakistani, indian, …… is foolish and absurd. bcoz most of the time we dont choose these thing . we are mostly born with such identities. yes
saying that some one is wrong in doing some act is right but saying that he is complete wrong too is not correct always.
Here is some news which off the topic but thought I would just share with you all …..
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At the very beginning of his book, “The Nehru Dynasty”, astrologer K.N.Rao mentions the names of Jawaharlal’s father and grandfather. Jawahar Lal’s father was believed to be Motilal and Motilal’s father was one Gangadhar Nehru. And we all know that Jawaharlal’s only daughter was Indira Priyadarshini Nehru; Kamala Nehru was her mother, who died in Switzerland of tuberculosis. She was totally against Indira’s proposed marriage with Feroze.
Why? No one tells us that!
Now, who is this Feroze? We are told by many that he was the son of the family grocer. The grocer supplied wines, etc. to Anand Bhavan (previously known as Ishrat Manzil)
What was the family grocer’s name? One frequently hears that Rajiv Gandhi’s grandfather was Pandit Nehru. But then we all know that everyone has two grandfathers, the paternal and the maternal grandfathers. In fact, the paternal grandfather is deemed to be the more important grandfather in most societies.
Why is it then, no where, we find Rajiv Gandhi’s paternal grandfather’s name? It appears that the reason is simply this. Rajiv Gandhi’s paternal grandfather was a Muslim gentleman from the Junagadh area of Gujarat. This Muslim grocer by the name of Nawab Khan, had married a Parsi woman after converting her to Islam. This is the source where from t! he myth of Rajiv being a Parsi was derived. Rajiv’s father Feroze, was Feroze Khan before he married Indira, against Kamala Nehru’s wishes.
Feroze’s mother’s family name was Ghandy, often associated with Parsis and this was changed to Gandhi, sometime before his wedding with Indira, by an affidavit. The fact of the matter is that (and this fact can be found in many writings)
Indira was very lonely. Chased out of the Shantiniketan University by Guru Dev Rabindranath himself for misdemeanor, the lonely girl was all by herself, while father Jawahar was busy with politics, pretty women and illicit sex; the mother was in hospital. Feroze Khan, the grocer’s son was then in England and he was quite sympathetic to Indira and soon enough she changed her religion, became a Muslim woman and married Feroze Khan in a London mosque. Nehru was not happy; Kamala was dead already or dying. The news of this
marriage eventually reached Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Gandhi urgently called Nehru and practically ordered him to ask the young man to change his name from Khan to Gandhi. It had nothing to do with change of religion, from Islam to Hinduism for instance. It was just a case of a change of name by an affidavit. And so Feroze Khan became Feroze Gandhi.
The surprising thing is that the apostle of truth, the old man soon to be declared India’s Mahatma and the ‘Father of the Nation’ didn’t mention this game of his in the famous book, ‘My Experiments with Truth’. Why?
When they returned to India, amok ‘Vedic marriage’ was instituted for public consumption. On this subject, writes M.O. Mathai (a longtime Private Secretary of Nehru) in his renowned (but now suppressed by the GOI!) Reminiscences of the Nehru Age’ on page94, second paragraph: “For some inexplicable reason, Nehru allowed the marriage to be performed according to Vedic rites in 1942. An inter-religious and inter-caste marriage under Vedic rites at that time was not valid in law. To be legal, it had to be a civil marriage.”
It’s a known fact that after Rajiv’s birth Indira and Feroze lived separately, but they were not divorced. Feroze used to harass Nehru frequently for money and also interfere in Nehru’s political activities. Nehru got fed up and left instructions not to allow him into the Prime Minister’s residence Trimurthi Bhavan. Mathai writes that the death of Feroze came as a relief to Nehru and Indira.
The death of Feroze in 1960 before he could consolidate his own political forces, is itself a mystery. Firoze had even planned to remarry.
Those who try to keep tabs on our leaders in spite of all the suppressions and deliberate misinformation, are aware of the fact that the second son of Indira (or Mrs.Feroze Khan) known as Sanjay Gandhi was not the son of Feroze. He was the son of another Muslim gentleman, Mohammad Yunus.
Here, in passing, we might mention that the second son was originally named Sanjiv. It rhymed with Rajiv, the elder brother’s name.
It was changed to Sanjay when he was arrested by the British police in England and his passport impounded, for having stolen a car. Krishna Menon was then India’s High Commissioner in London. He offered to issue another passport to the felon who changed his name to Sanjay.
Incidentally, Sanjay’s marriage with the Sikh girl Menaka (now they call her Maneka for Indira Gandhi found the name of Lord Indra’s Court dancer rather offensive!) took place quite surprisingly in Mohammad Yunus’s house in New Delhi. And the marriage with Menaka who was a model (She had modelled for Bombay Dyeing wearing just a towel) was not so ordinary either.
Sanjay was notorious in getting unwed young women pregnant. Menaka too was rendered pregnant by Sanjay. It was then that her father, Colonel Anand, threatened Sanjay with dire consequences if he did not marry her daughter. And that did the trick. Sanjay married Menaka. It was widely reported in Delhi at the time that Mohammad Yunus was unhappy at the marriage of Sanjay with Menaka. Apparently he had wanted to get him married with a Muslim girl of his choice. It was Mohammad Yunus who cried the most when Sanjay died in the plane accident.
In Yunus’s book, ‘Persons, Passions & Politics’ one discovers that baby Sanjay had been circumcised following Islamic custom, although the reason stated was phimosis. It was always belived that Sanjay used to blackmail Indira Gandhi and due to this she used to turn a blind eye when Sanjay Gandhi started to run the country as though it were his personal feifdom. Was he black mailing her with the secret of who his real father was? When the news of Sanjay’s death reached Indira Gandhi, the first thing she wanted to know was about the bunch of keys which Sanjay had with him.
Nehru was no less a player in producing b******s. At least one case is very graphically described by M.O. Mathai in his “Reminiscences of the Nehru Age”, page 206. Mathai writes: “In the autumn of 1948 a young woman from Benares arrived in New Delhi as a sanyasini named Shraddha Mata (an assumed and not a real name). She was a Sanskrit scholar well versed in the ancient Indian scriptures and mythology. People, including MPs, thronged to her to hear her discourses.
One day S.D. Upadhyaya, Nehru’s old employee, brought a letter in Hindi from Shraddha Mata. Nehru gave her an interview in the PM’s house. As she departed, I noticed (Mathai is speaking here) that she was young, shapely and beautiful. Meetings of Nehru with her became rather frequent, mostly after he finished his work at night. During one of Nehru’s visits to Lucknow, Shraddha Mata turned up there and Upadhyaya brought a letter from her as usual. Nehru sent her the reply and she visited Nehru at midnight…”Suddenly Shraddha Mata disappeared.
In November 1949 a convent in Bangalore sent a decent looking person to Delhi with a bundle of letters. He said that a young woman from Northern India arrived at the convent a few months ago and gave birth to a baby boy. She refused to divulge her name or give any particulars about herself. She left the convent as soon as she was well enough to move out but left the child behind. She however forgot to take with her a small cloth bundle in which, among other things, several letters in Hindi were found. The Mother Superior, who was a foreigner, had the letters examined and was told they were from the Prime Minister. The person who brought the letters surrendered them…”I (Mathai) made discreet inquiries repeatedly about the boy but failed to get a clue about his whereabouts. Convents in such matters are extremely tightlipped and secretive. Had I succeeded in locating the boy, I would have adopted him. He must have grown up as a Catholic Christian blissfully ignorant of who his father was.”
Coming back to Rajiv Gandhi, we all know now that he changed his so called Parsi religion to become a Catholic to marry Sania Maino of Turin, Italy.
Rajiv became Roberto. His daughter’s name is Bianca and son’s name is Raul. Quite cleverly the same names are presented to the people of India as Priyanka and Rahul. What is amazing is the extent of our people’s ignorance in such matters. The press conference that Rajiv Gandhi gave in London after taking over as Prime minister of India was very informative. In this press conference, Rajiv boasted that he was NOT a Hindu but a Parsi.
Mind you, speaking of the Parsi religion, he had no Parsi ancestor at all.
His grandmother (father’s mother) had turned Muslim after having abandoned the Parsi religion to marry Nawab Khan. It is the western press that waged a blitz of misinformation on behalf of Rajiv. From the New York Times to the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post, the big guns raised Rajiv to heaven. The children’s encyclopedias recorded that Rajiv was a qualified Mechanical Engineer from the revered University of Cambridge. No doubt US kids are among the most misinformed in the world today! The reality is that in all three years of his tenure at that University Rajiv had not passed a single exam. He had therefore to leave Cambridge without a certificate.
Sonia too had the same benevolent treatment. She was stated to be a student in Cambridge. Such a description is calculated to mislead Indians. She was a student in Cambridge all right, but not of the University of Cambridge, but of one of those fly by night language schools where foreign students come to learn English. Sonia was working as an ‘au pair’ girl in Cambridge and trying to learn English at the same time.
And surprise of surprises, Rajiv was even cremated as per vedic rites in full view of India’s public.
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i hav gone thru most of the notes above where there r my friends who believe in inter religion marriage and few friends who condemn it saying its wrong…i just want to ask one thing, y dont v guys think above religions cultures. if a couple loves each other who r from diff diff religion, y shud they sacrifice their love, for a selfish society who dont care for their relation ,for their feelings. u guys tel me honestly wat ur religion has given to u till this date….any supermacy… grow up guys, v shud welcome these new relations…n i wish people can think beyond religion….afteral life is not only bound to religions and beliefs